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This is 21 year old Bruce before he gets into the cape and cowl and still trying to figure out the persona of what his avatar of vengeance should be. It is interesting seeing a young, angry Bruce who argues with Alfred and flips the finger to the Red Hood as he escapes after derailing his plans.

I’m interested in seeing how the dynamic of Bruce and the Red Hood plays out over the course of the next year before Bruce puts on the cowl.















Nigma gives Uncle Philip Kane advice that for him to have complete control of Wayne Enterprises. He must kill his nephew Bruce.

Date: 2013-06-13 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Well, Snyder did say that he was going to be approaching this origin differently, and I'll be damned if it doesn't look like he's being true to his word at this point. Even if the bits you posted were crap (which it wasn't), I'd be continuing if not just to see where the sort-of No Man's Land thing came from.

Date: 2013-06-13 06:16 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I'd be continuing if not just to see where the sort-of No Man's Land thing came from.

what now?

Date: 2013-06-13 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
First couple of pages of the issues shows Gotham City from "six years ago" (still hate the timeline they've placed on the Batline, but that's beside the point), and the city is in ruin, with buildings destitute and crumbling, and plants and nature seemingly taking over--think the movie version of I Am Legend. What we see in the scans here apparently happens five months before some mysterious figure "killed the city."

Date: 2013-06-13 06:15 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
huh.... intruiging.... this actually seems really good... it is snyder after all so that should not surprise me.... also this nygma looks an awful lot like Jim Carrey (which i didn't hate... well i hated his nygma person... too snotty, actually like his Riddler until the end)

Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-13 06:24 pm (UTC)
kuratowa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kuratowa
Is there a reason Bruce's cap has a Robin symbol on it?

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-13 06:35 pm (UTC)
zabilac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zabilac
Foreshadowing. Ooooh... *spooky grin*

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-13 08:56 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Though it does look a LOT like an "R"

And what does the B stand for?

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-13 09:24 pm (UTC)
droolfangrrl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] droolfangrrl
I do so want to come up withsomething clever here... ;(
But this will have to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-14 01:21 am (UTC)
zabilac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zabilac
Boy Emo?

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-13 09:34 pm (UTC)
nate_abril96: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nate_abril96
It's a reference to pre-crisis history, where Bruce was the original Robin.

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-14 02:59 pm (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
What? Explain please?

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-15 01:51 am (UTC)
alschroeder3: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alschroeder3
Young Bruce, post-parents' death, idolized a Gotham police detective (think Dick Tracy) and tried to work with him on a case and learn firsthand from a real detective the art of detective work. He didn't want to be recognized, so he created a disguise, the first Robin uniform, after having learned to sew in the Sea Scouts. This was a late fifties story done in the Dick Spang style. I know the detective's name was Harris---Harvey Harris? Anyway, the detective used some clues Bruce left to eventually figure out the identity of the young "Robin" and left Bruce a letter to be sent after his death pointing out young Bruce's mistakes and how it could lead to his exposure later on.

Re: Holy Bat-Branding!

Date: 2013-06-15 02:53 am (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
That's... really, really cool.

They should use that in the modern stories.

Date: 2013-06-13 06:42 pm (UTC)
thosefew: bored death (Default)
From: [personal profile] thosefew
Chief Strategist Edward Nygma arrives to work an hour early, and gets to his custom-made chair by start-up time.

Date: 2013-06-13 09:46 pm (UTC)
nate_abril96: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nate_abril96
Along with his trusty custom-made coffee cup.

Date: 2013-06-13 06:47 pm (UTC)
protogarrett: (Default)
From: [personal profile] protogarrett
Bruce has an uncle?

Date: 2013-06-13 07:58 pm (UTC)
sir_razorback: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_razorback
I've never heard of Martha Wayne's name being Kane before. Is this a new connection to the Batwoman books he's forging here, or is it something established, just too isoteric for me to have picked up on before?

Date: 2013-06-13 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cricharddavies
The latter; it's featured in a number of stories.

Date: 2013-06-13 08:14 pm (UTC)
elf: Tim as Robin, with text, "Robin--I could write a book about Robin." (Robin)
From: [personal profile] elf
Martha Wayne was originally Martha Kane. (Found a family tree thread confirming this, but I can't remember where I first heard it.)

Date: 2013-06-14 08:19 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
It's been a thing in the past, as well as more recently. Her being a Kane was a big thing in both the Paul Dini books and the various Morrison ones as well.

Date: 2013-06-14 03:04 pm (UTC)
jkcarrier: first haircut after lockdown (Default)
From: [personal profile] jkcarrier
Pre-Crisis, Uncle Phillip was the one who took Bruce in and raised him after his parents were killed (although I think he was a Wayne, not a Kane). In a particularly contrived bit of irony, Phillip's housekeeper was the mother of Joe Chill.

Date: 2013-06-13 07:28 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: Charlie Crews vs. Faucet (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Bruce Wayne in Gotham prior to dressing like a flying mammal is worth a look.

Date: 2013-06-13 08:37 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This has my curiosity more than the previous stories, to be honest; Yes, it's another origin rehash, but for once, it's not based on Year One, and pretty much everything in terms of origins for Batman over the past twenty, nearly thirty years, has used Y1 as a basis. Starting fresh given the New52's timeline is smart, and it lets Snyder do things that haven't been done with the origin in years.

The involvement of the Ridder over say, Joker or rehashing Harvey's role in things is interesting, too. Given he's arguably one of the 'big four' Batman villains anyone could name (alongside Joker, Penguin, and Catwoman), he really needs some love after DC screwed up the private eye angle pre-New52.

Date: 2013-06-13 08:39 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
That said, Nygma's plan isn't very bright when Bruce's uncle specifies that the problem with the current Wayne Enterprises is a Kane heading up the company; Removing the last living Wayne isn't going to help matters, surely?

Date: 2013-06-13 11:19 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Also Bruce is legally dead at this point. Presumably a lot of people believe him to factually be so.

Most likely, Uncle Kane needs to remove Bruce for his own psychological needs. And to avoid the off-chance Bruce chooses to come back.

Date: 2013-06-13 09:19 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Robin Joker Another day....)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Have to say that I think making the Red Hood a big player in anything misses the point so badly it's approaching the sad. The Red Hood was a nobody, a minor criminal who was a footnote in Batman's career. He became the Joker by accident, the proverbial "one bad day". Also, depending on which of the gang ends up becoming the Joker, if it IS the lader, making him a psychotic killer from the get go also sets too much of his nature in stone before the accident.

Sorry, bit of a ramble there.

Date: 2013-06-13 09:44 pm (UTC)
nate_abril96: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nate_abril96
I'm kind of hoping that Snyder is just playing us, and that this guy turns out to be revealed as some nobody instead of the Joker.

Date: 2013-06-13 09:52 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That would be better, that the leader gets killed and some other member of the gang has to fill in for him in their last raid on Axis Chemicals and then....

Date: 2013-06-13 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Nu-52 misses the point so often, you have to wonder what the hell they're aiming at.

Date: 2013-06-14 02:11 am (UTC)
lego_joker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
Truly, the point is in the eye of the beholder...

I personally think it misses the point for anyone besides the Joker to acknowledge the Red Hood at all, especially when working from the TKJ "one bad day" template. I like it best when they keep it ambiguous as to whether the Red Hood even existed - perhaps its simply another fevered delusion in the Joker's head, and has little to do with how he actually became who he is...

At most, have Bruce file it as a "possible connection, extremely tenuous" in the Batcomputer, with regards to where Joker came from.

Date: 2013-06-14 08:25 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
That's just one interpretation of the character though, albeit one of the most popular. Him being a supercompetant gangster that craved publicity is equally valid.

Date: 2013-06-14 09:11 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This. I always got the impression from TKJ that the Red Hood was at least meant to be something of a big name - that is, of course, if you buy the validity of the Joker's flashbacks.

Date: 2013-06-14 11:53 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
As much as I've been a fan of his writing, people treating Alan Moore as if he's God King of the Universe, and that maybe writing something different from what he established twenty something years ago is sacrilege, is an attitude that I'm finding increasingly tedious.

Like Watchmen, I know it was important, I did like it, but excusing some of the sketchy stuff in it because it's a "deconstruction" of superhero tropes while complaining about Before Watchmen using them in a similar manner is a bit... stupid?

Date: 2013-06-14 12:58 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I personally think he actively dislikes the idolatry he seems to get and I can actively understand his frustration, at times. If he's so great and has made such contributions to the industry that are still in place today (and without getting into the nature of Blackest Night being based on the vaguest of things he wrote years ago, he did give us Mogo), then why has he been dicked over that frequently? The same goes for treating his ideas as thought they're gospel and then treating him like he's some kind of dirty old tramp psychopath for daring to speak about the way the major companies treat him - which is something that pisses me off royally when I see so-called 'fans' doing it.

That rant aside, that kind-of wasn't my point; I mean, even the Joker calls into question the validity of what we've seen in his 'flashbacks' - it could just be some sappy justification in his head for what he's doing to Gordon, after all, and as such, with the Joker calling into question just how valid his flashbacks are, it makes us question if everything's accurate, Red Hood and all. But.. Yeah. I'm less apprehensive about Zero Year than some because I'm bored of them referencing Year One ad nauseum. The same goes for TKJ - although it's notable DC won't dismiss that cash cow any time soon, not when they can pop out an all too sweet 30th Anniversary Edition and still hype it as being relevant in about four years time. I don't think even Moore expects people to be entirely beholden to the stories he told, frankly.

As for Before Watchmen, with the thread that came up here recently, I admit I thought it was entirely dubious to set something up declaring a work terrible when you haven't read it fully, but the poster justified their opinion well enough, and I think the main problem with Before Watchmen is that it apparently doesn't *deconstruct* those tropes, like the original mini did, but instead basically just tells conventional stories with that world's characters. Good thing? Bad thing? I don't know, because I haven't read it yet. At the same time, I've never seen anyone 'excusing' some of the sketchier stuff in Watchmen - although I may have done it on occasion myself; I've never seen anyone justify the Comedian's behaviour and the things he does, for instance - they've attempted to explain his character - and I thought there were some good attempts to explain him in the Before Watchmen thread from recently - but still, I can't honestly pass judgement on BW until I've read what parts I'm going to read.

Date: 2013-06-14 08:40 pm (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
What tropes do you mean?

Date: 2013-06-14 10:39 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
The sexualisation of the characters, the implied mental problems that would drive someone to become a crime fighter, etc. etc.

Date: 2013-06-13 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] doodleboy
What I liked:

-It's trying to be different and not playing it safe (always a plus), a total retread of Year One would've been boring.
-Young brash Bruce is entertaining.

What I didn't like.

-Honestly prefer the whole classic rampant crime/corruption of Year One and Batman Begins to the Red Hood stuff. Feels more true to Batman.
-Really hope Two-face gets introduced in this arc, because you do not mess with the origin of the giant penny. (although it originally came from Penny Plunderer)

Date: 2013-06-14 07:49 am (UTC)
perletwo: His parents are dead. (Batman - parents are dead)
From: [personal profile] perletwo
Awwww, the new Wayne Enterprises building has bat-ears!

Date: 2013-06-14 11:54 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
I'll miss you, old spherey building!

Date: 2013-06-15 08:41 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Check out the way the buildings form to the left of it... almost like the wing of the bat symbol...

Date: 2013-06-14 11:57 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Wait a minute... a snarky, baseball cap-wearing protagonist being lectured about responsiblity by his wealthy uncle Philip? And there's a butler involved?

Somehow that sounds familiar...

Date: 2013-06-14 04:56 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: Charlie Crews vs. Faucet (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Is someone going to dance (technically) to "It's Not Unusual"? I'm there!

Date: 2013-06-14 06:03 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Tim Drake as Carlton, because he's the nerdy, rich boy out of the Robins (Damian is rich, but isn't nerdy, so he doesn't count).

Not sure about the rest. Jazz would probably be... Oliver Queen, as he's kind of a creepy guy riding the coattails of the protagonist and hitting on the members of his group/family.

Date: 2013-06-15 08:48 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the protector of a town called Goth-am

Innnn West Gotham City, born and raised
At the theater where I spent most of my days.

...and that's as far as I get before it really starts going downhill.

Date: 2013-06-17 01:17 am (UTC)
bardbrain: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bardbrain
Chilling out, relaxing, watchin' Zorro
At the Monarch Cinema way down in the barrio
When a guy with a gun, he was surely the worst
Started making a move for mom's pearls and purse
Dad got shot in a fight and my mom got really scared
Then she died and I traveled around with Alfred the But-ler

Date: 2013-06-17 04:04 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Very nice. I was leaning that way, but not knowing the name of the cinema was a slight roadblock.

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