Batman #21: Year Zero
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This is 21 year old Bruce before he gets into the cape and cowl and still trying to figure out the persona of what his avatar of vengeance should be. It is interesting seeing a young, angry Bruce who argues with Alfred and flips the finger to the Red Hood as he escapes after derailing his plans.
I’m interested in seeing how the dynamic of Bruce and the Red Hood plays out over the course of the next year before Bruce puts on the cowl.




Nigma gives Uncle Philip Kane advice that for him to have complete control of Wayne Enterprises. He must kill his nephew Bruce.
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Date: 2013-06-13 06:16 pm (UTC)what now?
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Date: 2013-06-13 06:15 pm (UTC)Holy Bat-Branding!
Date: 2013-06-13 06:24 pm (UTC)Re: Holy Bat-Branding!
Date: 2013-06-13 06:35 pm (UTC)Re: Holy Bat-Branding!
Date: 2013-06-13 07:21 pm (UTC)Re: Holy Bat-Branding!
Date: 2013-06-13 08:56 pm (UTC)And what does the B stand for?
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Date: 2013-06-13 09:24 pm (UTC)But this will have to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
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Date: 2013-06-15 01:51 am (UTC)Re: Holy Bat-Branding!
Date: 2013-06-15 02:53 am (UTC)They should use that in the modern stories.
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Date: 2013-06-13 08:37 pm (UTC)The involvement of the Ridder over say, Joker or rehashing Harvey's role in things is interesting, too. Given he's arguably one of the 'big four' Batman villains anyone could name (alongside Joker, Penguin, and Catwoman), he really needs some love after DC screwed up the private eye angle pre-New52.
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Date: 2013-06-13 11:19 pm (UTC)Most likely, Uncle Kane needs to remove Bruce for his own psychological needs. And to avoid the off-chance Bruce chooses to come back.
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Date: 2013-06-13 09:19 pm (UTC)Sorry, bit of a ramble there.
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Date: 2013-06-14 02:11 am (UTC)I personally think it misses the point for anyone besides the Joker to acknowledge the Red Hood at all, especially when working from the TKJ "one bad day" template. I like it best when they keep it ambiguous as to whether the Red Hood even existed - perhaps its simply another fevered delusion in the Joker's head, and has little to do with how he actually became who he is...
At most, have Bruce file it as a "possible connection, extremely tenuous" in the Batcomputer, with regards to where Joker came from.
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Date: 2013-06-14 11:53 am (UTC)Like Watchmen, I know it was important, I did like it, but excusing some of the sketchy stuff in it because it's a "deconstruction" of superhero tropes while complaining about Before Watchmen using them in a similar manner is a bit... stupid?
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Date: 2013-06-14 12:58 pm (UTC)That rant aside, that kind-of wasn't my point; I mean, even the Joker calls into question the validity of what we've seen in his 'flashbacks' - it could just be some sappy justification in his head for what he's doing to Gordon, after all, and as such, with the Joker calling into question just how valid his flashbacks are, it makes us question if everything's accurate, Red Hood and all. But.. Yeah. I'm less apprehensive about Zero Year than some because I'm bored of them referencing Year One ad nauseum. The same goes for TKJ - although it's notable DC won't dismiss that cash cow any time soon, not when they can pop out an all too sweet 30th Anniversary Edition and still hype it as being relevant in about four years time. I don't think even Moore expects people to be entirely beholden to the stories he told, frankly.
As for Before Watchmen, with the thread that came up here recently, I admit I thought it was entirely dubious to set something up declaring a work terrible when you haven't read it fully, but the poster justified their opinion well enough, and I think the main problem with Before Watchmen is that it apparently doesn't *deconstruct* those tropes, like the original mini did, but instead basically just tells conventional stories with that world's characters. Good thing? Bad thing? I don't know, because I haven't read it yet. At the same time, I've never seen anyone 'excusing' some of the sketchier stuff in Watchmen - although I may have done it on occasion myself; I've never seen anyone justify the Comedian's behaviour and the things he does, for instance - they've attempted to explain his character - and I thought there were some good attempts to explain him in the Before Watchmen thread from recently - but still, I can't honestly pass judgement on BW until I've read what parts I'm going to read.
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Date: 2013-06-13 11:16 pm (UTC)-It's trying to be different and not playing it safe (always a plus), a total retread of Year One would've been boring.
-Young brash Bruce is entertaining.
What I didn't like.
-Honestly prefer the whole classic rampant crime/corruption of Year One and Batman Begins to the Red Hood stuff. Feels more true to Batman.
-Really hope Two-face gets introduced in this arc, because you do not mess with the origin of the giant penny. (although it originally came from Penny Plunderer)
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Date: 2013-06-14 11:57 am (UTC)Somehow that sounds familiar...
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Date: 2013-06-14 06:03 pm (UTC)Not sure about the rest. Jazz would probably be... Oliver Queen, as he's kind of a creepy guy riding the coattails of the protagonist and hitting on the members of his group/family.
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Date: 2013-06-15 08:48 am (UTC)My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the protector of a town called Goth-am
Innnn West Gotham City, born and raised
At the theater where I spent most of my days.
...and that's as far as I get before it really starts going downhill.
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Date: 2013-06-17 01:17 am (UTC)At the Monarch Cinema way down in the barrio
When a guy with a gun, he was surely the worst
Started making a move for mom's pearls and purse
Dad got shot in a fight and my mom got really scared
Then she died and I traveled around with Alfred the But-ler
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