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Four scans from The Mighty Thor #2.
 

I continue to be happy with how big an improvement this story is from Fractions first arc on Thor.  A lot of it is the art, which is much more suited to the property than was Ferry's, but it's just a much better story too.

Last issue, Thor pulled the magic glowy thing from the base of the World Tree, but Odin reveals to Heimdall that it is actually an egg of some sort.  The Silver Surfer detects the presence of the cosmic egg, and realizes it could sate Galactus for a long time to come, so he heads to Earth to demand it:




The Surfer accosts Odin and Heimdall:




Admittedly, the Surfer's power level varies, but I really don't think he should be able to fight both Thor and Odin.


 

Date: 2011-05-25 11:12 pm (UTC)
drmcninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drmcninja
He can definitely take Thor. Grulk has beaten Thor, I think, and Surfer absolutely destroyed the Green King on Skaar. Just completely trashed all of the warbound. But Odin, he has the Odinpower, which is nearly infinite. That could be a legitimate fight, but both at the same time? Nope. Advantage: Asgard.

Date: 2011-05-25 11:50 pm (UTC)
redorion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] redorion
Surfer has fought Thor multiple times and lost on pretty much every occasion. And Odin is simply completely out of Surfer's league.

And not only did Surfer not "destroy" Hulk during Planet Hulk (Surfer lost that fight after Hulk broke his control disc and proceeded to beat Surfer into the dirt until Korg stopped him) but both Surfer and Hulk were weakened by travelling through the Great Rift.

Date: 2011-05-26 12:00 am (UTC)
drmcninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drmcninja
Really? I was unaware of the previous fights. My mistake there, but I do recall in Planet Hulk, that hitting the control disk was the only weak spot, and they had to go for that because they could not hurt him any other way. He was smacking all of the warbound around, including Hulk. And then breaking the disk caused him enough pain to drop his guard and fall to his knees, which is when Hulk started beating on him.

Date: 2011-05-26 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
doesn't Mjolnir have the ability to drain energy from things? That would be a big thing.

Date: 2011-05-26 02:58 am (UTC)
redorion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] redorion
Yes, but Surfer to drain energy too.

Date: 2011-05-26 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Surfer was explicitly powered up at the end of Annihilation (or rather, he's more clearly dedicated and won't hold back as much)

His powers are just so much more varied than Thor's are it's not funny. If he's playing even semi-intelligently there's no way Thor could beat him.

Odin and thor though? No chance. Odin is closer to Galactus than his herald.

Date: 2011-05-26 10:10 am (UTC)
redorion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] redorion
But Surfer doesn't fight like that in the comics, he usually just uses energy blasts and punches, even after his recent power-up. A trend which seems to be continuing with this story going by the preview of the third issue.

And Thor has his own varied powers and while they may not be as varied as Surfers, they would give him more than a chance at beating him.

Date: 2011-05-26 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Oh, definitely. (mind, the entire plotline of the Annihilators is based on "You guys kept getting beaten by weaker people because you're too careful with your powers and too scared of what you can really do.") I'd put Thor and Surfer in about the same weight-class, with surfer edging him out under most circumstances but also being more prone to holding back.

There's also that bit in "In thy name" where Surfer basically lists the way he could beat his enemies ("I could turn every atom in their bodies into a singularity") and then just blasts them until they go away.

Date: 2011-05-26 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Varied powers doesn't mean much when the enemy is just as strong as you. And Thor's powers are pretty diverse too.

Thor can absorb SS' cosmic blasts and smack him with an indestructable hammer, to say nothing of his combat experience. SS simply doesn't match up well.

Date: 2011-05-26 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
SS can blow up planets, drain energy, move several thousand times the speed of light (seriously, he's crazy fast) survive anything but complete molecular disruption, manipulate matter (like say, negating the Strong and Weak forces that keep your atoms together) to the degree where he can actually create life from scratch, move fast enough to go back in time, has senses that reach for several light years, enough energy output to casually waste planets....

He's bar none the most powerful hero in the MU, possibly excepting Dr. Strange and Phoenix.

Date: 2011-05-26 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Thor's thrown back Galactus, dented the Celestials by himself, beaten Ego the Living Planet, travel to other dimensions, etc.

Thor's just as powerful, and in a direct fight can bring just as much force to bear as SS, if not moreso thanks to magic. Silver Surfer can certainly apply his power in more creative ways, but he can't match Thor for brute force.

Date: 2011-05-26 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Thor has varied in power a lot though (when he has te Odinpower he's obviously far stronger than Surfer) In any type of fight against baseline Thor where Surfer actually gets serious (as opposed to "Okay, let's talk about this, I don't wnat to hurt you but I really need to do cosmic stuff...") Surfer should win more often than he loses.

Heck, in any reasonable situation Thor shouldn't be able to hit him at all.

Date: 2011-05-26 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
And what backs that up, exactly? Because in all their serious fights, Thor has whupped Silver ass.

SS may be fast, but I don't recall a single time he's ever blitzed someone ala Quicksilver (and Thor's no slough in terms of speed, if ya wanna get technical), Thor can pretty much ignore SS' blasts by absorbing them, Thor's just as strong as SS and he's packing a hammer that can do a whole hell of alot of things. SS can blow up a planet, but it takes more than that to kill Thor.

The two are too evenly matched, and Thor can negate SS' most powerful weapons (cosmic blasts) while smacking him with a magic hammer.

Date: 2011-05-26 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
When have they ever fought seriously? The only times I've seen them fight either Thor has been powered up or he's been brainwashed (and Surfer has to do the entire "don't hurt the brainwashed guy" dance), or both, as in that Infinity Watch storyline (which is the only time I've seen him flat out beat him down) when he had the Power Gem.

Date: 2011-05-26 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
They fought in the Silver Age way back when. SS, powered up by Loki, couldn't beat Thor. And in the Infinity Watch arc, Thor didn't have the power gem when he beat SS (and Beta Ray Bill and Warlock). Thor only had the gem after SS and Warlock retreated, and after he stomped both Maxam and Drax by himself.

Every fight, Thor's come out on top. SS' bag of tricks is bigger, but Thor can sidestep them with his hammer and hit SS with powers he can't defend against. It's just a bad match up, really.

Kinda like SS vs. Hulk. SS' has always beaten the Hulk at full power, yet Thor never has. That's because SS' preferred tactics, fighting from a distance and manipulating energy are things Hulk can't defend against, and Thor can't or won't do with Hulk, but aren't effective tactics against Thor himself.

Date: 2011-05-26 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I really think that's mainly because the writers don't know how to write. There's no reason Surfer could't just say... Phase Thor's arms away so he can't hit him with the hammer (and yes, he's done stuff like that)

Date: 2011-05-26 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Maybe because Thor's a God, and has more magic in his left bicep than Dr. Strange has in his whole house?

Thor's a warrior *God*. It really shouldn't come as any surprise he's tougher than Whiney Dome Head :P

Date: 2011-05-26 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
And Surfer gets his power from Galactus, who is older brother to Eternity and Death. And Thor is no Skyfather (at least he normally isn't) unlike Odin.

Date: 2011-05-26 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
And Thor gets his genes from Odin and Gaea, an elder God. He's got pretty good genes ;)

Date: 2011-05-26 02:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] baxter2814
There's contradictory evidence on both sides. I always find these "who can beat up who" discussions a bit weird, because even evenly matched opponents can alternately lose to or win over each other depending on a variety of factors including tactics and mental state, and underdogs can manage to beat up people far more powerful than they are after getting their asses kicked by less powerful people. Fights aren't just two balls of raw power being launched at each other.

Date: 2011-05-26 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
True, that's why I cited Silver Surfer vs. Hulk. Surfer's never had much issue with Hulk (when both are at full strength) while Thor can't say the same.

It's not that SS can't beat Thor, just that he hasn't and I disagree with the idea that "If he's playing even semi-intelligently there's no way Thor could beat him."


Date: 2011-05-27 03:59 am (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
My recollection of that story was that a Loki-enhanced Surfer actually did beat Thor, though they're supposedly on a more even playing field when no third parties are intervening. Since the fight is going to happen in a Thor book, I assume he'll be the one who wins by writerly fiat.

At any rate, Odin's presence, particularly if he regained the full Odinpower upon returning from the dead, pretty well ends any stalemate.

Date: 2011-05-25 11:17 pm (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
I liked the glass scene.

Date: 2011-05-25 11:47 pm (UTC)
mullon: (Azula)
From: [personal profile] mullon
What, again?

Date: 2011-05-25 11:51 pm (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
That's a pretty swell written Surfer.
But Thor, dude, really? Hammer to the back? That's your first response? You Guys have known each other for how long now?
Talk about forced conflict.

Date: 2011-05-26 12:01 am (UTC)
drmcninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drmcninja
Well, if the Surfer was about to shoot his father in the face with the Power Cosmic, I can see how Thor may decide to stop that first, before going to dialogue.

Date: 2011-05-26 12:18 am (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
It's not like Odin And Thor are on such good terms at the moment either and he could have just flown right in front of him. The Surfer is a pretty reasonable guy and Thor knows this, he'd rather talk it out than harm someone who he considers an ally.
But then we wouldn't have any Heroes Fighting Because Of Misunderstandings.

Date: 2011-05-26 03:32 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
*sigh* It only carries so much OOMPH if Galactus attacks Earth every other year.

I don't know why he bothers anymore. Earth is like a Chinese restaurant. You'll never actually get a seat and be able to eat. He'll just leave hungry as usual or perhaps in a surprising twist eat a mystical Asgardian artifact for an appetizer before being on his way.

Date: 2011-05-26 04:08 am (UTC)
redorion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] redorion
Galactus hasn't actually attack Earth for about a decade now actually (at least outside of alternate realities), the last time was during the Galactus: The Devourer mini-series in 2000 IIRC. He's shown up on Earth since then but hasn't tried to eat it.

Date: 2011-05-26 04:10 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Didn't Galactus attack Earth or something like than just after Civil War when Black Panther and Storm were on the team?

Date: 2011-05-26 04:18 am (UTC)
redorion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] redorion
Nope, he tried to eat the cosmic entity Epoch but didn't attack Earth. The only reason the FF were involved was because Epoch took Gravity's body and they were looking for it and accidentally led Galactus right to her. He didn't even appear on Earth during that horrible story.

Date: 2011-05-26 04:09 am (UTC)
lilacsigil: 12 Apostles rocks, text "Rock On" (12 Apostles)
From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
Yeah, but those roast ducks in the window look so gooooooood!

Date: 2011-05-26 06:12 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] charlottesmtms.livejournal.com
I'm just so happy Coipel is back on this book! ^_^

Date: 2011-05-26 12:41 pm (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
Isn't Thor supposed to be imprisoned now?

Date: 2011-05-26 08:39 pm (UTC)
ceirwyn: Why are you bothering me? Go away little person. (Default)
From: [personal profile] ceirwyn
Someone needs to tell Surfer that Odin is in crotchety mode. Now is really not a good time to PO him.

Date: 2011-05-26 11:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] schala_kid
Liked this issue although Norin isn't really acting like himself ever since he went back to being Galactus' herald.

Also Loki continues to be cute, now he sneaks as one of the Brigade of Realms and attacks a giant rock monsters just to impress his big bro. Thor.

Oh and Sif, I dunno if she's being mature or restraining herself but she seems to be the only one of the Aesir who is not being mean or trying to murder Loki, and out of all of them she has more reason since he took her body and tortured her. Then again she probably is smart enough to realize he's not the same Loki.

Date: 2011-05-27 09:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] equinox216
Page 4, first panel:
The hammer is his penis.

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