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Date: 2022-10-18 01:19 am (UTC)All her relationships still happened and she still had all the feelings she had towards, but now she has extra motivations and feelings towards them. That's additive.
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Date: 2022-10-18 01:36 am (UTC)My mistake.
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Date: 2022-10-18 04:34 am (UTC)"And she didn't only have Proteus as a genetics experiment that she lorded over him?"
I mean, when she lorded it over him during the Hellfire Gala, she was quite clearly lying to him in order to provoke him. She had him as an experiment, yes, but it's pretty clear from prior stories, she also had feelings for him. She also locked him in a cage since he was a child, which is, you know, a pretty fucked up thing to do.
"And she only met and got together with Charles so she could try and break his ideals instead of genuinely falling in love with him? "
I mean, she did fall in love with him. That's a thing that happened during one of her lives. She literally says that she's loved him and hated him for many years.
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Date: 2022-10-18 01:19 pm (UTC)...That literally subtracts her being a human scientist. How do you not recognize that?
"I mean, when she lorded it over him during the Hellfire Gala, she was quite clearly lying to him in order to provoke him. She had him as an experiment, yes, but it's pretty clear from prior stories, she also had feelings for him."
Not in the post-Hickman era. Show me a story from post-retcon where that happens.
"I mean, she did fall in love with him. That's a thing that happened during one of her lives. She literally says that she's loved him and hated him for many years."
But not the most recent one, which is what we talked about. It removes all her stories from what we've seen of her. Just because you say "it's additive" doesn't make it so.
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Date: 2022-10-18 01:47 pm (UTC)"Not in the post-Hickman era. Show me a story from post-retcon where that happens." The post-Hickman era didn't wipe away everything that came before, it only added to it.
"But not the most recent one, which is what we talked about."
Here is Moira saying that she loved Xavier. And this is after she has tenderly kissed him, too. It doesn't matter if she fell in love with him in a previous life, it still happened.
All of it still happened. They were still engaged until she decided to break it off when he was in the army. She still adopted Rahne during her time in Muir Island, even when she didn't need to. She still did all the things that she did previously (well, aside from dying, which the Moira Golem did), she just did it with extra motivation and extra lives.
Hence: additive.
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Date: 2022-10-18 01:51 pm (UTC)You literally said that it subtracted nothing. And here you admit it subtracts her being a human scientist.
"The post-Hickman era didn't wipe away everything that came before, it only added to it."
Then you should show me the post-Hickman story where that's acknowledged.
"Here is Moira saying that she loved Xavier. And this is after she has tenderly kissed him, too. It doesn't matter if she fell in love with him in a previous life, it still happened."
In a subtractive retcon. She only loved him in previous lives.
"All of it still happened. They were still engaged until she decided to break it off when he was in the army. She still adopted Rahne during her time in Muir Island, even when she didn't need to. She still did all the things that she did previously (well, aside from dying, which the Moira Golem did), she just did it with extra motivation and extra lives."
'She did that when she didn't need to!'
'She did that with new motivations!'
These do not mix together. We saw her thoughts, and they were all focused on the job. There's no indication she did any of those things for the reasons she did previously.
Hence: subtractive.
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Date: 2022-10-18 02:02 pm (UTC)We saw her thoughts during House of X/Powers of X. We also saw her thoughts during a lot of other times pre-Hickman.
Honestly, this is all just your own belief that the retcon wiped everything away, not the actual proof.
Also, they aren't, actually. She has a fairly big nervous breakdown during her journal entries. And just because we don't see something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
In any case, it's clear you don't care and no proof would actually sway you anyway, so bye.
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Date: 2022-10-18 02:07 pm (UTC)...Her thoughts pre-Hickman were about how she was human. That's the point. It subtracted her previous characterization and replaced it with a completely new one.
Hell, people read her mind all the time during pre-Hickman and they didn't get "overwhelmed by her previous nine lives" like they keep doing post-Hickman. There IS proof it never happened.
"And just because we don't see something doesn't mean it didn't happen."
...That's not proof. That's the exact opposite of proof.
"In any case, it's clear you don't care and no proof would actually sway you anyway, so bye."
Bye.