Date: 2016-04-03 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lego_joker
... isn't that just more proof Willingham doesn't know how to write the Joker, or indeed anyone else in this mess?

Date: 2016-04-03 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Well, let's see. The Joker demonstrates his wit and genius by walking up to someone and hitting them in the head with a rock. Psimon cooperates by forgetting that he can implode the Joker's head with a thought. (And also forgetting that you should probably back away or try to defend yourself or something when a rock-throwing homicidal maniac walks toward you.) Thirty or forty supervillains, including Cheetah, Effigy and the Rogues, are so awed and terrified by the Joker's--gasp!--killing a guy that they immediately scamper off to do his bidding.

Yeah, I think we're full up on proof at this point.
Edited Date: 2016-04-03 02:51 am (UTC)

Date: 2016-04-03 09:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This is my whole problem with the Joker as of the mid-00's, the period where DC was arguing that 'the Joker's so scary, the villains of the DCU tell each other Joker stories'; anyone, from Clayface to Poison Ivy to any of the Rogues, Superman's rogues gallery or a standard metahuman should be able to down the Joker in a second. Like, I get that he's 'iconic', but good lord, somebody use their brain and just beat him to death.

Also, this is from the period where he had appeared in Morrison's run, gotten shot, and then 'reinvented' himself under Morrison's ham-fisted 'THE JOKER IS THE DAVID BOWIE OF CRIME' idea.. So how exactly is he appearing here?

Date: 2016-04-03 03:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lego_joker
Countdown. The answer is always Countdown.

Also, standard rant about how Batman's world should not be part of the DCU in the first place, etc., etc.

Date: 2016-04-04 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
And, you know, I'm fine with the Joker being scary in ways that actually make sense. That "villains tell Joker stories" line was narrated by the Trickster, an unpowered and relatively sane (ex-) villain who tended to hang out with thrill-seekers and blue-collar supercriminal types. That crowd, sure, they'd find the Joker pretty nightmarish--they wouldn't obey him, but they'd avoid him if they could, shoot him on sight if they couldn't.

But the Cheetah? Abra Kadabra? Effigy? Nope, they shouldn't find the Joker remotely intimidating. (Honestly, I don't think the Joker could ever be in the same story as Kadabra without getting turned into a giant playing card and shredded. Kadabra hates rival showmen.)

Again, you want to have the Joker take down Psimon in this story? That could be plausibly done. Have the Joker poison Psimon in some intricate, indirect and half-random way that even a telepath can't see coming. And then he could crow about how easily Psimon's grand plans for utopia came crashing down thanks to a single malcontent with no superpowers. Boom, point made. Instead, what we get is the Joker doing some sort of caveman alpha male shtick to impress a bunch of unrepentant murderers who can outrace bullets and punch down buildings. 'Tis silly.

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