I'm actually rooting for Joker here. Not even just because he killed a dude who was basically trying to build a society founded on systemic rape, but because he is actually making a lot of sense (even if, of course, he is wrapping it up in layers of cruelty). So many zombie movies would pull off an 80% survival rate if the protagonists got rid of survival-challenged The Millstones.
...If people didn't panic and run for the hills with their camping equipment, guns, and delusion they are badass enough to be survivalists. If people simply locked the doors, pushed something in front of the windows, or climbed onto the roof and kept quiet you'd have a lot less zombies. The relatively few zombies could be lured into a controlled area like an empty swimming pool and killed by a couple of people wearing chainmail or a suit of armor.
Instead, you get people like the Malheur Moron Militia who run out of snacks the first day of their "occupation" of the State Parks and sh*t up the place until they're run out or die.
Plus the guy who gets bitten but, despite knowing full well that he is going to turn, refuses to tell the others (even if "the others" includes his own friends and family and even small children).
Like, dude, I get it, you don't want to die. I get it. But you are fucked either way so kindly don't doom the others too, you know?
I don't get what hiding the bite accomplishes when you could just be upfront about it, tell the group to watch you and be prepared to cut your head off quickly and cleanly as soon as you pass away. If you're offering to be part of the solution rather than the problem, odds are they'd go along with it and your final hours can be full of sympathy and relative comfort.
I figure they are afraid that some trigger-happy moron in the group will shoot them in the head the second they see the bite marks.
Which, admittedly, is a reasonable concern. There is always going to be a leeroy jenkins in a group, and anyway even reasonable people can get twitchy when they are scared and exhausted and starving and stuck in a disaster with no end in sight.
But, again, they are fucked either way. And actually getting shot in the head would be less horrible than turning into a zombie and eating your own loved ones. So grow a damn spine and come out.
Or, better yet: agree on a quarantine plan before heading out to face the zombies. Something like "guys, we are not 100% sure any bite could turn you, there might be a chance you'll remain human, so if anybody gets bitten let's agree that they'll admit it and we'll tie them up somewhere and not shoot them until after they turn, just in case."
Instead of shooting the bitten in the head before they turn, maybe just duck tape them up so they can't move or bite. In case they aren't actually infected. This way people are less likely to hide bite marks because they know they're not going to be "mercy killed".
Yeah, I always wondered why they never ever ever decide on a quarantine plan as safety net before they go out to face the zombies. It seems so obvious but they never do it.
Then again, people in horror movies still can't seem to figure out that splitting the group is a terrible idea, so...
But you might be immune. That's how they beat the plague in the movies, right? They find an immune person and get them to safety and make a cure. If you tell them you will just get shot, and then all your friends will die too because there won't be a cure.
Despair is a good motivator for the ol' noggin to get creative.
Well, for starters, a lot of the time making the cure requires killing the immune person (example: The Last of Us).
Then there is the point that your chances of being immune are like 0,0000001%, and it's kinda selfish to almost certainly doom the entire group (including friends and family and children) over the grain-in-the-sand chance that you won't turn. Despair only goes so far as freudian excuse.
And then there is the part where, if you are so concerned about getting shot over a zombie bite, you should make a plan with the group about quarantining people who get bitten before heading out. Seriously, they are adults, surely some of them have got cuffs somewhere? Or heck, duct tape? Those survivors types will start stocking ammunition and food years in advance but even they never think to suggest of a quarantine plan for bite survivors?
How many people manage to think logically about the mortality of themselves or their loved ones in regular life, much less in a traumatic situations like this would be? Or plan ahead for such.
Quarantine plan would also play in just the same human failing, you'd have to acknowledge that people around you, that you might have known your whole life, will die. Or you might. And that you might have no other option than locking them up and waiting for them to with no way of actually helping them. Most people will just avoid thinking of stuff like that.
But if they just got turned into zombies, that number could be as high as 100%! Everyone knows zombies aren't dead these days, and there's safety and power in numbers! Sure your life will suck and you'll forever be chasing after scarce food, but at least you'll have more company AND less brainpower to waste time contemplating the meaningless of your struggle for unexistence!
There's always the old "thinks he'll finally get laid" stereotype. We don't honestly know much about Dr. Simon Jones' background before he went full villain.
I believe Psimon said that he had a girlfriend (or at least a "girl") in Paris in his last Outsiders appearance.
Considering that he's an arrogant sadist with psychic abilities ranging from illusion-casting to implanting "suggestions" to full-on body hijacking, I doubt he has any problems getting laid.
I dunno man, call me a quitter but I'd rather try to find a way home, even if it's plagued with superheroes, than tame a wild world with no chocolate or netflix or videogames or condoms.
They do have a bunch of super geniuses in their midst, so building their own portal doesn't seem that far fetched.
Yup. Drop Luthor, Sivana and Professor Ivo in one place, with access to the Rogues' tech? They could be home by the end of the day. If they're not, it's just because they thought it would be more fun to convert the planet into Warworld II and fly it back to the Sol system.
...don't you think they have the brains to reinvent netflix, video games, and condoms? Chocolate would be a hard loss but you've got an entire "no rules" planet to yourself. Villains strike me as being rather Libertarian and not appreciative of civilization and following rules. This would be the opportunity of a lifetime.
The brains? Probably. The inclination or quality? No.
Lex would probably be all "videogames and television are opium for the masses" or whatever, I expect the only game or tv show he'd be willing to make involves him beating up Superman; and he'd expect you to cheer at the crappy dialogues too, the narcissistic bastard, on pain of being cut out from any other technology he develops. As for condoms, I bet Joker would find it hilarious to kill people with poisoned condoms, make them go out with a bang.
Well, let's see. The Joker demonstrates his wit and genius by walking up to someone and hitting them in the head with a rock. Psimon cooperates by forgetting that he can implode the Joker's head with a thought. (And also forgetting that you should probably back away or try to defend yourself or something when a rock-throwing homicidal maniac walks toward you.) Thirty or forty supervillains, including Cheetah, Effigy and the Rogues, are so awed and terrified by the Joker's--gasp!--killing a guy that they immediately scamper off to do his bidding.
Yeah, I think we're full up on proof at this point.
This is my whole problem with the Joker as of the mid-00's, the period where DC was arguing that 'the Joker's so scary, the villains of the DCU tell each other Joker stories'; anyone, from Clayface to Poison Ivy to any of the Rogues, Superman's rogues gallery or a standard metahuman should be able to down the Joker in a second. Like, I get that he's 'iconic', but good lord, somebody use their brain and just beat him to death.
Also, this is from the period where he had appeared in Morrison's run, gotten shot, and then 'reinvented' himself under Morrison's ham-fisted 'THE JOKER IS THE DAVID BOWIE OF CRIME' idea.. So how exactly is he appearing here?
And, you know, I'm fine with the Joker being scary in ways that actually make sense. That "villains tell Joker stories" line was narrated by the Trickster, an unpowered and relatively sane (ex-) villain who tended to hang out with thrill-seekers and blue-collar supercriminal types. That crowd, sure, they'd find the Joker pretty nightmarish--they wouldn't obey him, but they'd avoid him if they could, shoot him on sight if they couldn't.
But the Cheetah? Abra Kadabra? Effigy? Nope, they shouldn't find the Joker remotely intimidating. (Honestly, I don't think the Joker could ever be in the same story as Kadabra without getting turned into a giant playing card and shredded. Kadabra hates rival showmen.)
Again, you want to have the Joker take down Psimon in this story? That could be plausibly done. Have the Joker poison Psimon in some intricate, indirect and half-random way that even a telepath can't see coming. And then he could crow about how easily Psimon's grand plans for utopia came crashing down thanks to a single malcontent with no superpowers. Boom, point made. Instead, what we get is the Joker doing some sort of caveman alpha male shtick to impress a bunch of unrepentant murderers who can outrace bullets and punch down buildings. 'Tis silly.
Why Psimon ever thought "exposed brain" was a wise look, we'll never know. All it does is give people a target.
Not that the Joker needs a reason...
Frankly, Psimon is an idiot indeed, especially thinking that ladies like Phobia, Jewelee, Cheetah and Giganta would willingly become broodmares for the likes of him or Sonar.
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Date: 2016-04-03 04:27 am (UTC)The Zombie Apocalypse usually could be avoided entirely....
Date: 2016-04-02 01:25 pm (UTC)Instead, you get people like the Malheur Moron Militia who run out of snacks the first day of their "occupation" of the State Parks and sh*t up the place until they're run out or die.
Re: The Zombie Apocalypse usually could be avoided entirely....
Date: 2016-04-02 01:59 pm (UTC)Like, dude, I get it, you don't want to die. I get it. But you are fucked either way so kindly don't doom the others too, you know?
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Date: 2016-04-02 07:37 pm (UTC)Re: The Zombie Apocalypse usually could be avoided entirely....
Date: 2016-04-02 07:52 pm (UTC)Which, admittedly, is a reasonable concern. There is always going to be a leeroy jenkins in a group, and anyway even reasonable people can get twitchy when they are scared and exhausted and starving and stuck in a disaster with no end in sight.
But, again, they are fucked either way. And actually getting shot in the head would be less horrible than turning into a zombie and eating your own loved ones. So grow a damn spine and come out.
Or, better yet: agree on a quarantine plan before heading out to face the zombies. Something like "guys, we are not 100% sure any bite could turn you, there might be a chance you'll remain human, so if anybody gets bitten let's agree that they'll admit it and we'll tie them up somewhere and not shoot them until after they turn, just in case."
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Date: 2016-04-02 07:39 pm (UTC)Re: Hidden Bite Guy Is Such A Dick
Date: 2016-04-02 07:56 pm (UTC)Then again, people in horror movies still can't seem to figure out that splitting the group is a terrible idea, so...
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Date: 2016-04-02 08:10 pm (UTC)Despair is a good motivator for the ol' noggin to get creative.
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Date: 2016-04-02 08:24 pm (UTC)Then there is the point that your chances of being immune are like 0,0000001%, and it's kinda selfish to almost certainly doom the entire group (including friends and family and children) over the grain-in-the-sand chance that you won't turn. Despair only goes so far as freudian excuse.
And then there is the part where, if you are so concerned about getting shot over a zombie bite, you should make a plan with the group about quarantining people who get bitten before heading out. Seriously, they are adults, surely some of them have got cuffs somewhere? Or heck, duct tape? Those survivors types will start stocking ammunition and food years in advance but even they never think to suggest of a quarantine plan for bite survivors?
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Date: 2016-04-02 08:40 pm (UTC)Quarantine plan would also play in just the same human failing, you'd have to acknowledge that people around you, that you might have known your whole life, will die. Or you might. And that you might have no other option than locking them up and waiting for them to with no way of actually helping them. Most people will just avoid thinking of stuff like that.
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Date: 2016-04-03 02:08 pm (UTC)Considering that he's an arrogant sadist with psychic abilities ranging from illusion-casting to implanting "suggestions" to full-on body hijacking, I doubt he has any problems getting laid.
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Date: 2016-04-02 08:15 pm (UTC)They do have a bunch of super geniuses in their midst, so building their own portal doesn't seem that far fetched.
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Date: 2016-04-02 09:55 pm (UTC)If they have the brains to invent a boom tube....
Date: 2016-04-03 03:10 am (UTC)Re: If they have the brains to invent a boom tube....
Date: 2016-04-03 10:01 am (UTC)Lex would probably be all "videogames and television are opium for the masses" or whatever, I expect the only game or tv show he'd be willing to make involves him beating up Superman; and he'd expect you to cheer at the crappy dialogues too, the narcissistic bastard, on pain of being cut out from any other technology he develops. As for condoms, I bet Joker would find it hilarious to kill people with poisoned condoms, make them go out with a bang.
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Date: 2016-04-03 02:50 am (UTC)Yeah, I think we're full up on proof at this point.
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Date: 2016-04-03 09:04 am (UTC)Also, this is from the period where he had appeared in Morrison's run, gotten shot, and then 'reinvented' himself under Morrison's ham-fisted 'THE JOKER IS THE DAVID BOWIE OF CRIME' idea.. So how exactly is he appearing here?
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Date: 2016-04-03 03:41 pm (UTC)Also, standard rant about how Batman's world should not be part of the DCU in the first place, etc., etc.
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Date: 2016-04-04 02:14 am (UTC)But the Cheetah? Abra Kadabra? Effigy? Nope, they shouldn't find the Joker remotely intimidating. (Honestly, I don't think the Joker could ever be in the same story as Kadabra without getting turned into a giant playing card and shredded. Kadabra hates rival showmen.)
Again, you want to have the Joker take down Psimon in this story? That could be plausibly done. Have the Joker poison Psimon in some intricate, indirect and half-random way that even a telepath can't see coming. And then he could crow about how easily Psimon's grand plans for utopia came crashing down thanks to a single malcontent with no superpowers. Boom, point made. Instead, what we get is the Joker doing some sort of caveman alpha male shtick to impress a bunch of unrepentant murderers who can outrace bullets and punch down buildings. 'Tis silly.
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Date: 2016-04-02 11:21 pm (UTC)Not that the Joker needs a reason...
Frankly, Psimon is an idiot indeed, especially thinking that ladies like Phobia, Jewelee, Cheetah and Giganta would willingly become broodmares for the likes of him or Sonar.