Justice League #23.1 Darkseid
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scans_dailyMany millenniums ago, Darkseid was a mudfarmer. Who put the old gods against each other and when they were weakened by their war. Darkseid took the opportunity to kill them and take thier power for himself.
Izaya was married to Darkseid sister. Who got critically hurt during the old gods war with each other and he beg his god to save her.
Interesting how Darkseid have kill many parallel universe Supermen.
Old Gods?
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Date: 2013-09-05 07:30 am (UTC)No
Date: 2013-09-05 09:50 am (UTC)I don't care who changed what past, nobody has the right to rewrite "The Pact." Not Byrne, not Pak.
NOBODY.
I now officially hate the new 52, and all it stands for.
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Date: 2013-09-05 04:12 pm (UTC)I mean, am I missing something here?
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Date: 2013-09-05 04:41 pm (UTC)First off, stripping every bit of subtlety, nuance and pathos out of Kirby's creation is a violation of the intent of that work, period. It's the ethos of "Before Watchmen" applied to Kirby. That is vile in and of itself, yes.
And what did they replace it with? Blood, blood and more blood. Superman corpses with the insignia of the Pre-Flashpoint Superman, as if to emphasize that they were literally strip-mining the past for cheap thrills and violent satisfaction. That's the best these people can do? Is that what you want from your fiction? Yeah, I don't want to know those people, and I don't apologize for that.
DC comics it turns out, is reveling in racism, misogyny and every form of hatred out there. It needs to be dismantled from the ground up, and if that pisses off the current fanbase, then so be it, because I don't want to be near those people.
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Date: 2013-09-07 08:06 pm (UTC)'Revelling'
Also, those are all Supermen from different continuities, different insignia's are a given.
Anyway, long story short, you can still enjoy your Kirby. But he's not creating any new material and other people have to, wether or not they hit or miss is no reflection on to Kirby's work, unless you want it to be.
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Date: 2013-09-08 08:11 pm (UTC)Because the old ones still existed for me to enjoy. Nothing was taken from anyone.
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Date: 2013-09-08 08:14 pm (UTC)To everything else you have to say, that's a shame, I can't say I've read this new origin fully, but your thoughts on the subject are simply a mindset that I can't appreciate. Especially when your insulting a selection of very real people for what boils down to a very little issue.
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Date: 2013-09-08 11:04 pm (UTC)Which is probably why anyone with a decent idea doesn't give it to Marvel or DC anymore and you're stuck with the 85th watered down iteration of the same story.
"Especially when your insulting a selection of very real people for what boils down to a very little issue. "
I suppose complete decay of anything resembling anything artistic or of ethical value for the sake of gore is a small issue to some. Not to me. If those people are insulted, well, judging by the sales, it's a very very small group of people whom I don't have a problem offending as I don't want anything to do with them.
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Date: 2013-09-09 12:03 pm (UTC)I could read that a thousand times and not get tired of agreeing with it.
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Date: 2013-09-05 07:51 pm (UTC)Why is it so hard for writers to deal with the New Gods?
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Date: 2013-09-06 02:30 am (UTC)And really the devil is not supposed to be a threat for a good man, but DC keeps writing it's devil as one, which is a problem.
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Date: 2013-09-08 04:38 pm (UTC)But you're right, that *is* changing the goal posts. Greek gods/monsters are a completely different issue, in terms of the role they fill in stories, then Devil figures. Which are different again from what the New Gods are, although they draw on both.
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Date: 2013-09-08 05:21 pm (UTC)And while the stories followed the ones who killed it I think "No one can stand to this beast, it will surely kill us all," was far more common than "The creature has killed our best men, all out efforts against it have failed." though I'm sure the second one happened to.
Still I find I have more and more problems with this the more I think about it. For one thing it shows the plot armor of the main character.
But as for this story it could easily be shown as a lie told by Darkseid later. This makes him far more big you know. His parents are now nothing, as opposed to a being who could threaten him. It gives him actual claim to Mr. Miracle since he's now his uncle. It ties his arch enemy to him, it makes the Old Gods look like fools, it gives the Lowlies on Apokalips hope he can crush
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Date: 2013-09-06 12:32 am (UTC)Okay, granted her original death was blatant fridging, her death still had meaning! She sacrificed herself! Her death was the tipping point for the entire goddamn war! Here?! Here her death goes by so casually and so unnoticed (and very morbidly) and Izaya barely phased by it. And don't you love how Izaya never refers to he by name, just "wife", which I'm pretty sure he only says that because you would never be able to tell what these characters relations to each other were unless they told you.
I can only assume that their having legal rights troubles with Kirby's family, otherwise I can't understand why they would feel the need to completely rewrite the new gods!