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The bald guy is Sivana.








"Shazam!"

The last page shows the picture that was released before of Billy transforming into Shazam.

Date: 2012-03-21 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
So Billy is a bit of a punk now?

I can understand it. I imagine being an orphan in the foster system isn't the most pleasant childhood experience.

Date: 2012-03-21 10:19 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
But defeats the whole point of Billy Batson, he's supposed to be the good hearted kid who came through the system without becoming a punk, and DESPITE it being an unpleasant experience.

Also Sivana being SUCH a Luthor clone looks-wise does neither party any favours.

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Date: 2012-03-21 10:22 pm (UTC)
freezer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] freezer
So now it's official that NuDC = Ultimate Marvel, yes?

Which begs the question "Who is NuDC's Peter Parker?" (Read: The guy who didn't Take A Level In Jerkass)
Edited Date: 2012-03-21 10:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-03-21 11:17 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Bunker I presume. He seems to be the only truely 100% nice bloke in the entire universe, thus far.

Tim Drake is still fairly nice too though.

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Date: 2012-03-21 11:21 pm (UTC)
majingojira: (I Reject Your Reality)
From: [personal profile] majingojira
I'd like to know that as well.

Date: 2012-03-21 10:25 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmmm can't say i like the 'Tude, Billy has, it's understandable, and more inline with what i feel a kid in the foster system WOULD be...that said (i lfeel like i am saying that alot) being a punk kid on the exterior does not mean that's what he is on the interior

Date: 2012-03-21 10:32 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
SOMEONE needs a talking to by a certain Mr Potter

Date: 2012-03-21 10:38 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmmm you k now what... you have a point there... Harry was in no way naive, but he wasn't a punk. oh he was no angel, and would talk back, but usually when he did it was called for...

still, it is intruiging... i dont hate it yet, but i am cautious, he is behaving more like a kid in the foster system would.., which is something that really bothered me before hand.. he was too naive... but harry potter is a good example of a orphan in bad straights who turned out good.

it maybe that he puts on this act in order to survive...? but its not his true personality...

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Date: 2012-03-21 11:10 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Wow. Making Billy a dick. I was going to pick this up, but that's super not happening now.


Seriously. Billy is nice. Sweet. A good kid. There are origin stories that keep him a nice boy while showing that he isn't naive. (First Thunder, for example.) He can be street smart without being a smarmy ass. This feels just wrong.


Also, Sivana has apparently been taking his Lex Luthor pills.

Date: 2012-03-21 11:22 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Feel better for having made a few more people read First Thunder now really. :)

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Date: 2012-03-21 11:18 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Awww, but Sivana is meant to look like Mr Burns! :(

Date: 2012-03-21 11:27 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
oh god... can't unsee that now? who is his smithers?

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Date: 2012-03-21 11:23 pm (UTC)
nyadnar17: The Green Sign (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Man it must suck to be a Captain Marvel...I mean Shazam! fan.

Date: 2012-03-21 11:40 pm (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
I get the impression that the other kids the Vasquez folks are referring to are the Flashpoint gang, and that ultimately Billy won't be the sole Shazamite (mayhap it'll prove that Black Adam was 'bad' because one person couldn't handle the power), so Billy's characterization won't be all that important other than as a POV character.
I hate losing Mary and Junior, but we'll get diversity in the donor bodies, while the actual superhero will be a vaguely caucasian male, so it's a win-win saleswise.

Date: 2012-03-22 12:37 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Interesting notion on the Vasquez's fostering the Flashpoint kids. Not sure that "gender and ethnically diverse group become white guy" would be the way to go (And a little reminiscent of the Forever People becoming Infinity Man)

Perhaps Shazam is a shared power and any one of them can become Shazam, with Billy being the preferred host, but the others having their own take on the power as the need arises, becoming a new sort of Mary and Jr etc etc...

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Date: 2012-03-21 11:44 pm (UTC)
protogarrett: (Default)
From: [personal profile] protogarrett
I work in adoptions. That whole situation is so completely whacked out and nonsensical it's silly. "Draw up the papers?" It's not like picking out a puppy and you take him home the next day.

Date: 2012-03-22 12:06 am (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
Remember the Justice League Unlimited episode when everyone was saying Captain Marvel was more of a boy scout than Superman?

That's the Captain Marvel I like.

Date: 2012-03-26 09:19 pm (UTC)
amaniwolf: (Galactus)
From: [personal profile] amaniwolf
Word!

Date: 2012-03-22 12:19 am (UTC)
thanekos: Seiga Kaku from Touhou 13, shadowed. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
I like how Sivana: The Pre-Nu Lex Luthor Experience's suit-wearing rantee is unable to surpress his smirk.

Date: 2012-03-22 01:50 am (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
I can understand concerns about Billy being turned into yet another jerkass, but I can kind of get the approach that Johns is going with here. Being in the foster system is no picnic (I'm speaking from experience here), and who knows, Billy might end up getting something from the experience of turning into a new person that takes off some of his rough edges.

I'm also liking Gary Frank's art better here than some of the other work he's done; speaking of taking off the edges, whomever's inking him is putting something there that reminds me favorably of the recently-departed John Severin.

Date: 2012-03-22 04:30 am (UTC)
milleniumrex: (Default)
From: [personal profile] milleniumrex
Yeah, I'm with you. It's not exactly what I would have liked, but I have a feeling that this is mostly a rough exterior for Billy. And it's not like the head of the Orphanage seems like a peach herself.

I assume Billy's had a really rough life, so a little cynicism and jerkiness at first doesn't bother me much. I'm excited to see where it goes.

Date: 2012-03-22 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
Personally I think the "holy moly" Billy Batson only works in his own universe. This is still only the first issue, he might start acting nicer when Mary is introduced.

Date: 2012-03-22 11:44 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Which is why I'd have LEFT him in his own universe.

All this talk about "Magic is key to Shazam", it's really not. It's what triggers the change, but traditionally, Billy's alter ega was a standard superhuman, the fact that the change was triggered by magic rather than vita-rays or something was more or less incidental. Yes he fought "The Seven Deadly Sins" and even Satan on occasion, but so do many superbeings.

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Date: 2012-03-22 04:08 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
So now that Luthor no longer looks like Luthor, Sivana has to?

Misstep.

Date: 2012-03-22 06:21 am (UTC)
maxisanacorn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] maxisanacorn
I'm guessing his characterization here will eventually since he becomes Shazam is to eventually teach him a lesson and he'll get nicer.

He reminds me much more of Capt. Marvel Jr. He was more of a punk wasn't he?

His characterization and popualarity in Young Justice PROVES that a "boy scout" Billy can be profitable.

I just hope Mary isn't a "bad girl" or other ilk. Jesus just give them to me to write I'd write them all really well.

Date: 2012-03-22 11:42 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Depends on the iteration, normally, not really. He's actually a kid who's having a tougher life (ongoing) than Billy. His grandfather was killed by Captain Nazi, and he was left partially disabled as a result, and had to run an open air newspaper stand in all weathers to earn a living.

Date: 2012-03-22 08:58 am (UTC)
eyz: (Guy Gardner)
From: [personal profile] eyz
That's Sivana??? Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!! *shakes fist to the sky*

Date: 2012-03-22 11:40 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Also, hate to be "That guy" but is this really just a third of the Shazam story?

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Date: 2012-03-23 03:01 am (UTC)
meowshi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] meowshi
It's a relaunch. Characters are meant to be different and go places the originals won't.

Don't really get the complaints.

Date: 2012-03-23 05:59 am (UTC)
tsunamiwombat: (BardaFalconPawnch)
From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
Unwise relaunch nobody wanted or asked for, poor business decision. Also, Billy Batsons personality is a central character concept, as it's part of the reason the Wizard/Destiny/The Force chooses him to inherit Shazaam's power, he won't turn into another Black Adam.

Date: 2012-03-23 06:47 pm (UTC)
chocochuy: Kobato Hanato on a Sunny Day (Queen of Cuteness)
From: [personal profile] chocochuy
While I have always been a fan of the frail but dangerous Dr. Sivana, I kind of like his new design and obsession over the power of Shazam. I think it makes him into an evil version of Clarence Charles Batson from the Ordway stories.

Date: 2012-03-23 11:02 pm (UTC)
cypherfdp: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
Billy "Shazam" Batson: Rude Dude with a 'tude

Date: 2012-03-24 01:39 am (UTC)
blackruzsa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
It's way too much of a turnaround to be anything good for most people.

It could work, I suppose, but Billy's like the epitome of the swell kid standard, and flipping that over, you get a bit of fandom hate.

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