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Hey So i posted that twitter conversation I had with Gail Simone earlier this morning and thought you guys would like to see it.

http://fanboywatchtower.tumblr.com/post/8103354546/queer-oes-part-2-lgbtq-characters-in-dcnu

as usual comments, likes, rebloggs welcomed.



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Date: 2011-07-27 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mola_ram
AFAIK Constantines bisexuality is more a matter of intrepertation than a stone cold canonical fact.

Every time the bisexuality is mentioned, it is always through the eyes o somef other person or witness who saw what happened in the underground sex club...
Considering Johns knack for misdirection and playing a con, I think he may have staged the whole thing, especially since that entire story is told through different peoples eyes, and not through Johns at any time.
Also, considering that no other writer AFAIK have ever touched on the subject since Azarellos run, and that the bisexuality hasn't even been mentioned once, not even in some of the official DC/Vertigo summaries I have read through the time.
The most detailed one in my opinion (the one in All his engines) for example (which came out during Careys run, right after Azarello) mentions only the underground sex club, but not any bisexuality.
It does however mention every single of his girlfriends without skipping a beat...
Also, that not a single author has touched on the material that Azarello paved through with may also be a indication that John was only playing a con...

A shame really, because I liked the chances Azarello took with the Constantine character, who was already at that time slowly turning into the Constant One...

In case you have any interview/link/information that should prove me wrong, by all means make me stand corrected :)

Date: 2011-07-28 01:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
Just one scan preceding the Azarello run a long time ago, I forget which, where they mention offhand that Constantine has "girlfriends, the odd boyfriend, they all leave eventually" etc etc. I dunno which issue it was but I think I saw it on a gayleague profile of Constantine. :)

AH HAH. Here. http://www.gayleague.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hellblazer51page5b.jpg
Says there it's Hellblazer 51.

I believe with that, we can say that Constantine is mostly straight and prefers women but isn't adverse to being with a guy depending on the situation. I'm sad that in his history, they only use a situation where he has to take advantage of someone and not actually get into a serious relationship that we see.

Date: 2011-07-28 12:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mola_ram
I stand corrected :)

Issue 51 is on my hunting list over Hellblazer single issues that I need in order to have a complete collection. seeing as it isn't reprinted in any of the Hellblazer trades I got.
I'll absolutely agree with you that Constantine is bisexual, mainly preferring women over men, but nonetheless bi.
It's something that IMO fits Constantine nicely, because it doesn't come off "forced" and yet works as the most casually raised middle finger to the biblethumbing fearmongers; i.e. Constantine has been to Hell more times than I have been to the local McDonalds, seen what goes on down there, and he'd still enjoy the company of a man if he so choose.
(Am I making sense?)
That said, I still think there was little to no doubt that John was playing a con/getting back at S.W. Manor.
Manor was essentially Azarellos take on a psychotic Bruce Wayne without the Batman bits, and hardly healthy boyfriend material for anyone...

Date: 2011-07-28 12:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
Oh yeah, I'm aware that he essentially hated Manor and wanted to bring him down :) He might have also felt sorry for the guy, but mostly I wouldn't blame him for hating SW.

Which is why I'd like for him to get together with a guy at some point, even if temporarily. His track record with gay men is great (his many gay friends and tender acquaintances, like when he and that rent boy took care of each other when he was homeless) and call me anything you like but I'd really like to see at least one real romance there, even if a memory or something.



Date: 2011-07-28 01:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mola_ram
True about the track record. I think I'll always remember this positive "Peter O'Toole vibe" I got of of Ray in start of the Delano run, and yes, when Ennis don't go for the cheap male rape joke, he can write gay people surprisingly well.

I wouldnt mind seeing John in a steady male relationship or even a one-nighter if it was handled right. He has had his share of those with women, can't see why he shouldn't have one with a guy.

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