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I made a rule for myself that I am not going to put anybody in the book that's simply, 'I like this character. I'll change his name, I'll change his costume and I'll stick him in my book.' If there's a strong archetype that I want to deal with, I'll go to the base of the archetype and build a new character on that archetype without regard for the other use of that archetype in comics. -- Kurt Busiek





















Date: 2022-04-28 10:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I want a whole ongoing just starring Teen Genie based on the name and design alone.

Date: 2022-04-28 10:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tripodeca113
My introduction to Astro City was through the Vertigo series being posted here. I'm looking forward to seeing the next volume posted here as well (I just hope it doesn't take too long...)

Date: 2022-04-29 12:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Superhero comic books are odd when it comes to SCIENCE. Science is great! And yet at the same time, we get "How far is too far?" And it isn't even a question of pure research or applied engineering or raising money or public vs. private. Just SCIENCE.



Date: 2022-04-29 02:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] john_drake1964
It's something that I think shows up outside superhero comics as well. In some ways, I might suggest it's the historical post-WWII socio-political shift, at least in the United States, when it comes to science/scientists, and media depictions therein.

Post-WWII, America was entering into a position as the economic and political titan, with only the recovering Soviet Union to be a major rival in political, military and scientific endeavors. The detonation of nuclear weaponry and ushering the world into the atomic age was the product of international cooperation, massive government support, and large scale and organization. Despite its destructive powers, there was the beginning of what many saw as a potential new age of technological and scientific advancement. Atomic technologies were touted as the future that your children would one day take atomo-rockets to the moon, atomic tractors guided by electronic brains to ready the fields, that the depths of the ocean would be opened to colonization.

In the 1950's, we often see scientists in films with some position of authority or respect by connection to authority presented largely in positive lights. Politicians and military men heed tend to at some point heed the words of scientists regarding the threat at hand. These men (and sometimes women, though not as often) are presented as working within the system to save the day. Any scientist who is presented in a bad light is largely presented as being either a misguided individual at best, or typical mad scientist at worst. They are outside the system, the order. They cause harm by not adhering to the social order.

But now we move onwards, and the counter-culture movement of the late 1960's, and the massive blow of Watergate, begins to shift the cultural view on authority, personified by "the Man" in whatever form you consider, whether the Man is government, academia, or sometimes business. The system then becomes a menacing, larger than life and impersonal to the conceit of individuality. Science is now not the progressive mover, but the continuation of control and threat to the individual through larger pressures such as geo-political conflict and the threat of armageddon through thermonuclear war, much easier to contemplate as the end of civilization than back in the early 1950' with a reliance on bombers and early missiles.

The 1980's saw a turnaround of scientific roles. Science could still be a force for good, but now it was brought out of the impersonal hands of corporations, governments, and academia. Ghostbusters for example positions a team of independents, thrown out of stuffy, hideboud academia into the world of business, and go their own way to provide a service, and fending off government stooges from the EPA. It is a period of the Reagan era, and we see independent scientific figures now being lauded. The quirky independent scientist/engineer/inventor now becomes the hero. While these characters may either still in some cases work for larger organizations, they are not part of some faceless bureaucracy, think tank or academic facility.

Indeed, there are several cases of the "quirky scientist/inventor working in their basement on some fantastic project," whether its "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids," "Flubber," or "Cats vs Dogs." In other cases, we see instances of fears of research being weaponized, controlled, or destroyed by "the Man" or other outside forces that do not accept independent conceptualization or thought.

Science and scientists now face the great politicization of science. The Climate Change Conflict, continued Anti-Vaxx campaigns, etc, come from social shifts in regards to social views on authority and those connected with it. We even see conspiracy theorists presented in more positive light (if still ribbed at in general.) Take films like Godzilla vs Kong or Moonfall, which feature conspiracy theorists in prominent roles.

Now, the above isn't a hard and fast rule, and applies more to depictions of scientists/inventors/engineers, etc than science proper, though they are connected in degrees in the larger public and cultural consciousness. In general, the concept is that when science is perceived to be part of a larger system, impersonal and given to being abused, therefore societal culture will perceive a somewhat uncertain position on it. SCIENCE in all caps, can mean both progressive advancement and brutal or impersonal control and suppression or degradation/destruction.

Date: 2022-04-29 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mazway_75
How does he do it? How does Busiek introduce these characters in one issue and somehow makes you feel like these are characters around for years, scores of established adventures and makes you feel for them? This book is so damn magical.

Date: 2022-04-29 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jgraygaming
There’s a superhero card game called Sentinels of the Multiverse that does the same thing. And that’s because the creators don’t think “this is a character I made for this card”. They think “this is a character with a thirty year history book of being published by a comic company”. They work out the history and major story arcs they were part of, down to the issue titles and numbers. I suspect Mr. Busiek is similar in the way his head processes characters. I get it you asked him, he could rattle off the major story arcs of the Jayhawks comic series without issue.

Date: 2022-04-30 10:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think it's partly because he mines (and I mean that respectfully) the genres and era's he's referencing with a great deal of love and affection for them.

He looks at other themed heroes and villains who were around in the times he is referencing, and comes up with plausible alternatives.

So Musicman sounds like he could have been a Golden Age hero, and so his sidekick has a name that stresses he's a kid partner, and which would look good on a cover from the 1940's: "Musicman and Bugleboy". Majorette even feels like a later addition somehow, like the original Bat-Girl, perhaps helped by the fact she doesn't seem quite as invested in staying a hero.

Rally's design is Speed Racer writ comnic book so brings that whole vibe with him.

And of course Surfmaster, who feels like another long standing hero, got a sidekick in the 60's he'd be a Beachboy

And then, and this is the REAL genius part, Kurt Busiek gives them stories that it is obvious we are only seeing a fragment of, a slice of their lives, but with the same sort of dialogue as old comics used referencing old stories we'd likely never read anyway, which reassures us that these are established characters in their own stories and on their own journies.

When this sort of story is done right, (Alan Moore's Supreme, the Big Bang comics series, and of course this), without the layers of cynicism that some might feel required to give it, it is indeed magical.

Date: 2022-05-01 01:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alliterator
"And of course Surfmaster, who feels like another long standing hero, got a sidekick in the 60's he'd be a Beachboy"

Surfmaster sounds like a superhero made to capitalize on the surfing trend, like how Kirby made the Silver Surfer.

Date: 2022-05-01 06:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
True, that works too.

To me, the name had echoes of the "Sub-Mariner" to it, proudly riding the crest of a wave without any obvious means of support, and them adding the hip teen sidekick from two decades later, in an effort to make him more relevant.

But yeah, rocket powered sufboard or the like would also be a great visual! :)

Date: 2022-04-29 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
First thought this was the start of a new ongoing, rather than a one-shot.
Feels vaguely cruel, being taunted with the prospect of more AC...

It is an oddity that the Jayhawks have been stuck as ghosts for several decades and apparently no-one's been able to see / hear / notice their presence in any way, especially in a setting like Astro City's.
Bet there's a story of its own in there.

Ordinarily, Rivet's musing right there would be heavily unsettling.
But since this is Astro City, odds are that likely worked out fine, right?
Right?

Date: 2022-04-29 11:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Darn it, I'd almost convinced myself that it WAS an ongoing!

Not sure the Jayhawks are ghosts, they could be in some Phantom Zone analog which isn't supernatural and so not visible to the usual supernatural suspects.

Date: 2022-05-02 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
They're intangible, invisible and in some sort of pseudo-death like state.

They might as well be ghosts.
(except that'd probably be easier to fix for them.
... though death in Astro City seems to be more 'permanent' than it is in most comic book settings.)

Date: 2022-05-01 01:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alliterator
There WILL be a new ongoing, but I think they are building up material now first, so it might not be for another six months.

Date: 2022-05-01 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
*whiny kid voice* "But I wan' it naaaaow."

Mod Note! Page Count

Date: 2022-04-29 11:23 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: Mod Squad icon (Mod Squad)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Ahem.... this issue only came out this week, so the four page rule applies.

Trim immediately or delete the post please.

Re: Mod Note! Page Count

Date: 2022-04-30 12:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
I thought it came out last month... I certainly remember reading it in late March, and online says the release date was March 30 (Google, Amazon, reviews)

Re: Mod Note! Page Count

Date: 2022-04-30 10:01 am (UTC)
icon_uk: Mod Squad icon (Mod Squad)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Thank you for the correction.

Clearly time (and visiting comic shops to pick up my reservations) has ceased to have meaning for me.

Re: Mod Note! Page Count

Date: 2022-04-30 10:00 am (UTC)
icon_uk: Mod Squad icon (Mod Squad)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
My sincere apologies.

I only got my copy this week and hadn't realised it had been so long since I last visited my LCS!

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