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Date: 2020-05-25 11:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 07:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 07:37 pm (UTC)It's one of those things I find really distasteful when characters imply it in the comics-- which I think is the point when it comes out of other villains mouths, ala Lex Luthor in the opening arc of Winnick's Outsiders!-- but when I've spent most of my life reading Batman comics and knowing what the character has suffered at the hands of the Joker, it's one of those things that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Date: 2020-05-25 08:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 08:05 pm (UTC)Does the Superman in the above strip have an expression on his face of a Superman who accidentally murdered his own wife and unborn child due to the machinations of the Joker?
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Date: 2020-05-26 04:59 pm (UTC)Superman has the expression of somebody who's actually interested in stopping the Joker from killing people and causing mayhem rather than dumping him in Arkham for an issue or two. And I, for one, am totally on Big Blue's side.
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Date: 2020-05-27 08:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-27 08:29 pm (UTC)It's a Joke(r).
PS. And about Injustice... there was Superman who insinuated Batman loved Joker.
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Date: 2020-05-25 08:01 pm (UTC)Lots of Batman villains are sympathetic. Joker shouldn't be one of them.
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Date: 2020-05-25 08:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 08:18 pm (UTC)But DC has a tendency to take one step forward and two steps back so I have doubts that the current take on HQ will survive the next inevitable reboot.
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Date: 2020-05-25 08:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 08:45 pm (UTC)(Really happy the HQ cartoon wears it's politics on its sleeve for that reason. They even spent a whole episode making fun of the kind of people that complain about "SJWs" taking over "their" spaces)
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Date: 2020-05-27 05:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-27 08:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-27 05:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-27 08:37 pm (UTC)Seriously I don't understand the "Joker must die" argument, he is the primary villain of Batman, they don't kill off because they want keep him as character.
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Date: 2020-05-25 08:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 08:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 08:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-25 08:28 pm (UTC)Granted the Joker has been portrayed so wildly different* over the years that he's become three people.
*Everything from "he's not insane, he's super sane" to "actually, he'd be fine if Batman weren't around"
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Date: 2020-05-25 10:59 pm (UTC)Not that I would mind, somehow, a total revamp of the Joker. I really hate mass murder, cooks babies, atrocity Joker.
I would much much prefer unpredictable, zany, madcap, funny Joker. The one who'd be just as likely to waltz up to a Girl Scout cookie stand and drop $10,000 on one box of cookies as he would be to have his mooks extort protection money from them. Whichever happened to strike him as funnier at that moment.
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Date: 2020-05-25 11:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-26 07:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-06-01 12:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-26 04:11 am (UTC)In response the Joker takes a no-killing vow and his stories from there show him keep almost slipping and fighting the urge to do so.
This would finally supply some tension when the Joker shows up because you wouldn't know if this was when he finally snapped and did it again. It would also force writers to get creative with the Joker again because they'd have to think of new ways for him to hurt people/commit crimes without killing.
Also you could get a story out of other Gotham Criminals coming after him, knowing that he's not going to kill them.
I mean, a story like that will never happen because each new writer wants to out "Alan Moore" the killing joke, which is why the Joker has become so tedious and boring.
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Date: 2020-05-26 06:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-26 07:42 am (UTC)He also shoots Barbara Gordon, which I'm not downplaying as an unspeakably grotesque thing to do, but it wasn't Moore who started "The Joker is a casual mass murderer" trend.
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Date: 2020-05-26 08:03 pm (UTC)The modern take traces back to the 1973 Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams classic tale of "The Joker's Five Way Revenge" (Batman 251). But even then Joker had a reason behind behind his murders, he wasn't just doing it randomly for the giggles.
Supercapo16 is right in that Joker's gotten predictable, and a predictable comedian isn't funny.
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Date: 2020-05-26 10:53 pm (UTC)He'd cheerfully shoot a henchman who was boring him, but as a comparison, in Dreadful Birthday Dear Joker, he temporarily paralyses an entire auditorium so they can watch him him kill Batman and Robin. In a more recent Paul Dini story he plans on murdering everyone attending a magic show because that's all the Joker ever seems to do.
The way I read the post I was replying to, it seemed that it was suggesting that it was Moore who started the mass murder tendency when he definitely didn't.
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Date: 2020-05-27 02:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-26 11:50 pm (UTC)More what I mean is that after The Killing Joke, writers kept trying to top it by having the Joker do more and more egregious crimes.
Sort of the mindset of "Well you think the Joker was evil when he paralyzed and sexually assaulted Barbara Gordon? Well I'm having him blow up an entire bus full of children! My Joker's the worst Joker!"
So, no, Moore didn't initiate the trend, but because The Killing Joke made such an impact, it galvanized imitators into flanderizing the Joker's worst aspects over time.
At least that's how it seems to me.
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Date: 2020-05-27 02:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-26 02:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-05-27 01:48 am (UTC)no subject
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