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Batman 49 came out this week, setting up Bruce Wayne's return as Batman for the big next issue. And what a path it was to that point in this issue, so much that I kind of felt the need to post that return in the last three-ish pages because it was a thing of art.

Couple of things before the scene itself. The issue is extremely dense and there are no side plots going on, it is healthy Bruce Wayne and Alfred debating about the return of Batman with Alfred being vehementely against it. He has finally seen his greatest dream come true, after all, the Bruce Wayne who grew to be a man not haunted by past traumas and who become a truly great man, compassionate and helpful to those in need while being able to enjoy his own happiness. Yet the nobility of that same man will not allow him to just stand around watching the city burn under Bloom's attack while knowing that he could do something to help. I cannot do justice to their scenes with that explanation

So they make their way to Bruce's backup machine where he had stored his memories and skills to be implemented on clones of himself so that there would be a Batman. It is messed up and it is totally Batman once you understand that Snyder's Batman is a thing of tragedy and hence would never want his children to have bear that legacy. Anyway, the project never worked as a human mind could never handle being Batman, projections showing that the brain would simply die unable to handle the amount of mental trauma required. In addition, Alfred trashed the machine to prevent Batman's return, but of course Bruce figures out that there was a backup program.

At this point Bruce enters the machine to have Batman's program imprinted on his mind, convinced that he can be the better Batman, the one without all the trauma weighing on him, the one who is capable of being happy. Yet as they start the simulation, the imprint continuously fails as Bruce's mind cannot handle it, constantly nearing brain death only to be pulled back. Finally Bruce understands that tragic truth: For there to be a Batman there cannot be a Bruce Wayne. The same mind cannot hold both of them and begs Alfred to have the program to go through and wipe out his mind. Alfred of course refuses, but then they are joined by a third party.







I have to praise Paquette's art in that last panel as you can just feel the difference to Bruce Wayne we saw before, see the the darkness in him again. And while it was clear from the beginning that Bruce Wayne would be Batman again, I never saw it coming like this which makes it so great. Notice that last page. That is not a scene of triumph, that is not a hell yes moment. That is sadness, as for Batman is a story of tragedy. A great child of Gotham had to be sacrificed for it to have its greatest protector.

As a last word, I've seen a lot of grousing online as we got Bat!Bruce back all dark instead of having a bright Batman and I feel there are two important points to be made of that. First, Snyder's Batman has always been a tragic character, actually the most popular version of the character has always been a tragic character. Yet here, Snyder is direct about it, he makes it clear to the reader that nobody in their right mind would want to be Batman in a way that hasn't really been been done before. This isn't us knowing the kid Bruce dying, this is us seeing the awesome human being Bruce Wayne would have been without Batman. Second, there is always an important distinction on the story being bad and the story not being what one wanted it to be. And I don't think this story can be argued to be bad.

Date: 2016-02-13 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
"That is not a scene of triumph, that is not a hell yes moment"

That brings to mind the Comicosity review of this issue. The reviewer points out the big differences between Grant Morrison's "The Return Of Bruce Wayne" and Superheavy. One being that while Morrison made Bruce's inevitable return to the cowl a triumphant moment, Snyder paints it as a the worst thing that can happen to Bruce.

It really is an amazing review, and I can't do it justice. I wholeheartedly recommend giving it a read.

http://www.comicosity.com/review-batman-49/

Date: 2016-02-13 07:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
What? Did you miss the final issue of Morrison's run? Batman is tragic because he cannot die and cannot change and he will keep going on and on and on even as his children die before him.

Date: 2016-02-13 07:34 am (UTC)
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The entire thing builds up to its failure. Batman RIP is his mid-life crisis, which he powers through by saying "I'm Batman." He supposedly dies, but we find out that he gets zapped back to the prehistoric era, where he immediately skins a giant bat and starts wearing it. So there's never a respite from being Batman, he just Batmans his way back to the present.

Then he founds Batman Inc in response to the future glimpsed in Batman 666 - a future where his son succeeds him. He is trying to build his own legacy in fear that his son will not be able to live up to him. So of course Batman Inc gets outlawed and disbanded and Damian gets killed and Batman gets obsessed with 'saving his city', even as Talia's trying to take over the world. And then his ex-girlfriend shows up and kills Talia in front of him and goes, 'well, we grown-ups handled that, you can just keep on doing what you've been doing.'

It's a tale of a man who only has one response to anything and cannot grow past it. And the horrible part is, is that his one response just keeps working. He keeps surviving. He keeps getting through it. Everyone else either grows up or dies. Bruce just keeps Batmanning on.

Date: 2016-02-13 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
I think it's easy to miss the tragedy in Morrison's tale because he never really shows Bruce react to everything that's going on around him with anything but "I must keep going". Admittidley, that's a big part of your point, that Bruce will only ever have one response to the world around him. Bruce is an emotionally stunted man, and Morrison leaves the emotional fallout of Batman's failure and the death of his son to the writers that come after him to expand upon.

But the last page of Batman Inc shows Ras in a room full of Damian clones, leaving the door open for his resurrection. Even though Bruce will continue his crusade without ever really changing, the future is bright because Batman and Robin will never die.

Date: 2016-02-13 11:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
Dick is the blueprint for Batman Inc - a guy who's not obsessed, who doesn't weaponize every aspect of his life, but who was merely inspired by the original to fight crime. Bruce Wayne is irredeemably hosed up, but you can make variations on a theme that are healthier and more productive.

But these variations prove insufficient. Every arc of Batman and Robin focuses on someone being upset that Bruce is gone and claiming that Dick can't take his place. First it's Damian, then Jason, then Dick himself, then Talia. Even when Bruce returns to actually set up Batman Inc, it proves to be motivated out of fear of Damian replacing him, fear that Damian won't be able to live up to him.

All of Bruce Wayne's issues are due to Bruce Wayne. Someone else can be a Batman, be a bat-themed crimefighter, and still have a happy life. The problem is that no one will ultimately accept anyone but Bruce Wayne behind the mask.

Date: 2016-02-13 11:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
That is not particularly optimistic, though, that is the promise of more of the same. Talia spends the arc trying to grow up, trying to grow past Batman and her father, but ends up repeating the same patterns her father did - Batman and al Ghul face each other in a sword fight, etc. It falls to Kathy Kane to rise above the old patterns and just pull out a gun. But Kathy Kane can't stay around forever, and with her gone Ra's al Ghul plans to resurrect everyone again and start the whole cycle anew.

Date: 2016-02-13 11:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
I don't understand the distinction between sad and pathetic, and tragic.

Date: 2016-02-13 07:42 am (UTC)
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Thing is, I can't really read that as Morrison properly analysing the character; he was clearly so pumped about moving the character forward and pushing him in a more positive direction prior to the New52 that the wholesale destruction of everything built up in the second volume of Batman Inc, plus killing Damian, just felt like Grant throwing a tantrum because his changes wouldn't stick.

Date: 2016-02-13 07:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
I'm not going to speculate about his motivations, but the conclusions he drew are not untrue. Death of the author, the story works regardless.

And besides, editorial constraints, reboots, etc, are a fundamental part of Batman the character. Batman cannot die or change because DC comics will not allow him to die or change. Since continuity was disrupted and undone thanks to a reboot, so too were in-story developments undone. It rings true.

Date: 2016-02-13 06:20 pm (UTC)
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To be fair, I think it's entirely the other way round; the New52 reeked of a complete and utter lack of planning in some areas. The only instance in which I've heard that Morrison created difficulties for people was Final Crisis, although I believe they actively admitted that they never asked him if he needed things lining up, resulting in Countdown; it kind-of goes both ways.

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