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scans_dailyOnce again, I'm posting some pages from CIVIL WAR. In this case, pages from J. Michael Straczynski and Ron Garney's AMAZING SPIDER-MAN run.
Why did Spider-Man decide to unmask during CIVIL WAR? After the cut, seven and a half pages from AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #532 explain it. Sort of.
Tony and Peter go to the White House. Peter waits outside the Oval Office and acts like an idiot. Tony exits the Oval Office.
"But I had nothing to do with what happened in Stanford." Peter is rather foolish to say that. Spider-Man gets blamed for lots of things because of the Daily Bugle. (Because J. Jonah Jameson is a stand-in for William Randolph Hearst or something.) Also, Peter blames himself for things he shouldn't, because Uncle Ben dying was more Peter's fault than the fault of the Burglar. (Because that's how superhero comics work.)
Tony goes on about how as long as the superheroes are masked, they are all "bad guys." There's also some talk about "aiding and abetting" and other stuff. Nothing about cloning Thor into a rampaging murder-bot, superhero conscription or building a Negative Zone prison that Blastar can take over.
There wasn't a "real world" comparison in CIVIL WAR. Not the American Civil War and not in the War on Terror that I could see. It edged into 1950s Sci-Fi "Humans have wars because that's what humans do" territory. Luke Cage brought up Jim Crow laws, which could have been interesting: superheroes become tools of the state and can't do anything abut it because... reasons.
Peter takes Tony's plane home and thinks about fleeing the country. He explains the situation to Aunt May and Mary Jane.
"Go get 'em, Tiger."
Four days later, after other stuff in CIVIL WAR #1 and #2 happens, Peter decides he just can't do it.
CIVIL WAR could have been done better. Not splitting the characters between rich and poor. Captain America finding a better plan than armed conflict against his government. No Thor clone.
I posted the CIVIL WAR #2 pages last year. So, here is the parody by Christopher Bird, where Spider-Man is more in-character than the original story.
Why did Spider-Man decide to unmask during CIVIL WAR? After the cut, seven and a half pages from AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #532 explain it. Sort of.
Tony and Peter go to the White House. Peter waits outside the Oval Office and acts like an idiot. Tony exits the Oval Office.
"But I had nothing to do with what happened in Stanford." Peter is rather foolish to say that. Spider-Man gets blamed for lots of things because of the Daily Bugle. (Because J. Jonah Jameson is a stand-in for William Randolph Hearst or something.) Also, Peter blames himself for things he shouldn't, because Uncle Ben dying was more Peter's fault than the fault of the Burglar. (Because that's how superhero comics work.)
Tony goes on about how as long as the superheroes are masked, they are all "bad guys." There's also some talk about "aiding and abetting" and other stuff. Nothing about cloning Thor into a rampaging murder-bot, superhero conscription or building a Negative Zone prison that Blastar can take over.
There wasn't a "real world" comparison in CIVIL WAR. Not the American Civil War and not in the War on Terror that I could see. It edged into 1950s Sci-Fi "Humans have wars because that's what humans do" territory. Luke Cage brought up Jim Crow laws, which could have been interesting: superheroes become tools of the state and can't do anything abut it because... reasons.
Peter takes Tony's plane home and thinks about fleeing the country. He explains the situation to Aunt May and Mary Jane.
"Go get 'em, Tiger."
Four days later, after other stuff in CIVIL WAR #1 and #2 happens, Peter decides he just can't do it.
CIVIL WAR could have been done better. Not splitting the characters between rich and poor. Captain America finding a better plan than armed conflict against his government. No Thor clone.
I posted the CIVIL WAR #2 pages last year. So, here is the parody by Christopher Bird, where Spider-Man is more in-character than the original story.
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Date: 2015-07-15 04:27 am (UTC)Hrrrr....
Date: 2015-07-15 04:40 am (UTC)....
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RAGE!
ANyway, the more I look at Civil War the more I hate it. Because it showcases everything wrong with Marvel. Like how their civilians are fickle and stupid. And how most the heroes literally just punch first and talk later regardless of the place or situation... and how major events are slowly retcon and fade away...
Re: Hrrrr....
Date: 2015-07-15 08:29 am (UTC)Yeah, I remember how Marvel was scamming us with "all the new story possibilities" and whatnot when it was all basically just their excuse for One More Day to be a thing a few weeks, maybe months later.
Re: Hrrrr....
Date: 2015-07-15 01:47 pm (UTC)Re: Hrrrr....
Date: 2015-07-15 09:29 pm (UTC)I kept hoping for something dealing with MJ's family reacting to the sudden danger they'd be in. (and you know, maybe someone remembering that those people existed and would definitely have a reaction.
Or hell, for maybe an issue that has Peter out in public and has people reacting to him when he's actually interacting with people, but none of that ever seemed to come to pass.
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Date: 2015-07-15 05:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-15 11:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-15 05:50 am (UTC)1) He made the wrong decision.
2) He made the wrong decision based, in part, on some erroneously over-optimistic thinking by May and MJ.
3) He made the wrong decision in an in-character, completely Peter-ish way, like many other bad decisions he's made in the course of continuity.
Which is to say, IMHO, Peter royally screwed up but did so in a way that was totally, utterly Peter.
In a MU where May doesn't know Pete is Spidey? This would never have happened. MJ would never have thought it to be a good idea for one (Venom being enough of a past experience). But May's attitude overwhelmed the book around this time and I can see Pete and MJ - living in Avengers tower, being exposed to the super hero celebrity life, feeling safe and secure as a result - buying into it against what would normally be their better judgment.
So on that level, I didn't mind the ID reveal. And to be perfectly blunt, I'd rather have outlaw, black-suited Pete and MJ running from the pro-registration forces, hiding out and still fighting the good fight than even a single pen-stroke of OMD. That last Fraction/Lariocca Spectacular Spider-Man Annual showed how much oomph there was in that premise and, come on: how hard would it have been to have MJ in New Avengers, living inside Strange's Sanctum alongside Luke, Jessica, the baby and all the rest?
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Date: 2015-07-15 09:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-15 12:31 pm (UTC)Are you planning on doing more? because i think that the scenes between Peter and Reed Richards, and between Peter and Cap, after he switches, are genuinely GREAT scenes that should be shown (i also kinda plan on showing some of the interactions between Peter and Jonah, since i also feel those are very well done)
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Date: 2015-07-15 01:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-15 01:08 pm (UTC)however, take a civilian in this scenario, at best, he would be considered an unique case instead of calling it part of a systematic problem, as it happens with the superhero community here.
"But MJ and your Aunt. they'd be considered complices" no, tony, they would not. because being a superhero was not illegal until this point, they did not break any law. after the law had passed, only if they actively try to keep his identity hidden. and even then, aunt may would probably be considered an innocent victim on all of this. it's the same argument as the "second cousin". guil by proxy.
Also, i
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Date: 2015-07-15 05:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-15 07:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-15 09:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-15 06:10 pm (UTC)Yeah, probably because we are standing here talking like assholes instead of helping out.
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Date: 2015-07-15 06:33 pm (UTC)But I thought this was a well written bit that complimented the main Civil War series. I would've loved to see more reactions from Jonah though.
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Date: 2015-07-15 09:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-07-16 02:08 am (UTC)