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Date: 2014-10-18 11:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 12:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-18 11:11 pm (UTC)2) Jason Todd, unlikely voice of reason...
3) Was Barbara hitting on Jason?
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Date: 2014-10-19 01:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 01:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-18 11:51 pm (UTC)2) "I'm not Dick Grayson...but I hang out with his ex-girlfriend"
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Date: 2014-10-19 03:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-22 03:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 10:47 pm (UTC)Kinda makes Jason a dick, though of a different sort.
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Date: 2014-10-22 03:46 pm (UTC)i don't know... if they were retconning the sex, did they have to do it at Jason's expense?
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Date: 2014-10-19 12:13 am (UTC)And the scenes between Barbara and Jason were amazing. They should hang out together more often. Although I find it funny that Jason felt like he had to show off to Babs by jumping off the bridge into a sweet alien spaceship. Wonder how long he had Starfire waiting under the bridge for him to make his dramatic exit.
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Date: 2014-10-19 12:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 12:52 am (UTC)Actually, Red Hood doesn't seem like he'd be a good partner to any halfways "ordinary" person. Even Starfire, with her all-you-need-is-love styles, seems like a weird lady-friend for somebody as twisted and bitter and brutal as Red Hood shows himself to be.
Though I must say, some kind of weird semi-affection makes much more sense with the FIVE YEARS edict than in the older continuity, where Red Hood and Batgirl-Oracle were far, far older and much, much more different.
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Date: 2014-10-19 02:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 03:19 am (UTC)Sadly, this might be the case. It reminds me of John Watson from Sherlock, who's into the dangerous type, consciously or otherwise.
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Date: 2014-10-19 12:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 01:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 07:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 07:47 pm (UTC)You mean aside from the psychotic industrialist who threw her off a bridge?
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Date: 2014-10-19 09:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 02:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 09:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 11:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-19 09:27 am (UTC)Jason and Barbara? Not a fan
Flamingo... another nobody I could live wthout seeing again. Does Batman REALLY need another villain whose sole gimmick is murder-death-kill?
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Date: 2014-10-19 01:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-20 04:01 am (UTC)Enough? Wait, who else? Batman I know has too many parallels - Dr. Hurt, The Wrath, Owlman, Thomas Wayne Jr., Hush, and then the Arkham Knight, plus arguably every single villain in his Rogues Gallery, but a parallel to Jason? I can't for the life of me remember anyone else right now.
Scorn? Is it Scorn? Am I right?
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Date: 2014-10-20 04:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-20 05:36 am (UTC)P.S. I've heard enough about what you don't want Flamingo to be. Out of curiosity, what would you have had him be?
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Date: 2014-10-20 05:55 am (UTC)Okay, given the lack of any real ostentatious, loud, silly, campy stuff from the Joker for a while and the fact he's basically been nothing but a dull killer since DKR/TKJ, why couldn't we have a had a loud, tacky, overly flamboyant madman with some real character? Like some sort of adjustment of the BTAS Joker, who now reads as entirely unlike the contemporary Joker, with some mad schemes, some deathtraps? Or some art obsessed madman, a riff on the Nicholson!Joker of Batman '89 or something like Sander Cohen of Bioshock? If he's going to kill people, do something interesting with it, something weird and lurid like, I don't know, he has a demented obsession with making people do the one-legged standing pose like the actual bird (which would be, say, a parallel with the pretty unnerving rabbit masks during that particular section of Bioshock). Hell, maybe he doesn't even need to kill them to do that, maybe he forces people to stand like that or they set off some manner of booby trap. You could even go places with the Prince reference from the Quitely cover.
Anything would have been more promising than 'oh, he doesn't talk, he has no real character because he was lobotomised, but he eats people's faces after killing them'. Because as much as he was progressing the Batman formula at the time, Grant's villains seemed to attempt to do the same, but their reasons for being are either trite or cliche (Flamingo) or Grant was being too clever for his own good and thinking we couldn't dig up the references on our own (Pyg).
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Date: 2014-10-20 06:15 am (UTC)FUCKING SOLD.
They did have the Son of Man before the pre-reboot (art-obsessed super-villain), but I guess this new Flamingo could work as an American version, or something. Holy crap, like a good handful of BioShock's villains could pass as Batman Rogues.
Anyway, I didn't have the same strong aversion to villains murdering as you (and I still don't), and I remain a fan of Morrison's B&R, but I like that you at least offered some alternatives, and some decent ones at that.
P.S. Heh. You're really P.O'd about that Prince reference, aren't you?
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Date: 2014-10-20 06:27 am (UTC)And that's fair enough - I'm just of the mind that a lot of the time, the MO of various villains these days is to just kill people, and increasingly gory/shocking ways. But I'm not saying some of those villains don't work (and I do, for instance, enjoy the current Joker stories under Snyder), I'd just like to see an alternative.
And you cannot tell me that it's a wasted opportunity. That cover makes the villain look cool. And he's dressed in freaking bubblegum pink. BUGGLEGUM PINK.
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Date: 2014-10-21 05:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-22 03:52 pm (UTC)also i love batman's O_O face when he reads the letter . and can ijust say, i love Stephanie.