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I have problems with some parts of Azzarello and Chiang's take on Wonder Woman--the retconning of the origin, the change in the Amazons. OTOH, the gods are more recognizably the "true" Greek gods than anyone has done since Perez--and his take on the New Gods has been equally spot on.


I'm very ambivelent about the Superman/WW romance--two perfect people getting together has all the drama of Ken and Barbie (besides, sooner or later Clark's pacifist and nonmilitary background will cause a splitup with the daughter of a warrior queen brought up in a warrior society) but a warrior god, with tormented vulnerabilities and anger issues, who keeps calling her "legs"?


MUCH better. Orion and WW have MUCH more in common than an alien raised in Kansas.


Case in point...



Wonder Woman is on New Genesis, being shown Supertown by Highfather, and is asked what Orion is doing in such a place of peace. Highfather answers, "On the planet below. Meditating..."


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I like the way Orion tries to "fight" anger, that even in meditation his metaphors are violent. It's futile, but it's SO Orion.


For my money, there is ten times more chemistry, more romantic tension, more genuine emotion between Orion and Wonder Woman then Superman and Wonder Woman could ever hope for.


Superman and Wonder Woman are a fanboy's dream. But the best relationships are fraught with flaws and faults...like Orion's jagged real face.

Date: 2013-07-24 02:28 am (UTC)
venatosapiens: griffin vulture (Default)
From: [personal profile] venatosapiens
So Highfather is an absolute dick in this, right? It's not just me?

Date: 2013-07-24 02:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] applemagpie
I don't know if I really want to see them as a couple, but Diana has a hell of a lot more chemistry with Orion than she does with Superman, that's for sure.
Then again, you could probably put Diana with a rock, and they'd still have more romantic chemistry than she does with Superman

Date: 2013-07-24 03:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] superfangirl1
I do like they are getting along better and Orion open up his feelings to Diana a little bit more.

Date: 2013-07-24 04:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
The thing is Superman and Wonder Woman are not written well. They come off as just friends when we're supposed to be reading them as this hot couple. Part of me thinks the writers like Johns and even Lobdell aren't really into it either. Azzarello on the other hand is really invested in Orion it seems and so there's so movement and character development on his (non-romantic) relationship with Diana.

Date: 2013-07-24 05:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I think it's to Azz's benefit that he's basically able to play WW like a Vertigo book and not have to reference half of the bullshit going on outside his story unless he really wants to.

Normally I'd whine about the lack of coherence there, but.. Well, to me it's plain that the books that aren't incredibly steeped in the editorial stuff of the New52 are infinitely better. Like Batwoman, and this.

Date: 2013-07-24 09:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
It's kind of great that two of the best books in DC are focused on female heroes.

Date: 2013-07-24 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] doodleboy
Alot of Highfather's dialogue reminded me way too much of Odin, especially the son disappointing the father dynamic he has with Orion.

However I have to say this issue really endeared Orion to me. He's an ass, but he knows he's an ass and really wants to not be. I like characters who try to be good despite themselves.

And Diana's trust in him as well as well as Orion's fear of disappointing her was great.

Date: 2013-07-24 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"besides, sooner or later Clark's pacifist and nonmilitary background will cause a splitup with the daughter of a warrior queen brought up in a warrior society"

And Lois Lane is the daughter of a warrior general who was brought up in both a warrior society (i.e. military bases) and high city life, two different cultures completely different from his own, and yet I don't see anyone saying that Lois and Clark were too different for it to work; in fact, most people tend to think that the differences make them stronger as a couple.

Also--isn't the typical complaint about SM/WW that they're too much the same? Big ole' superheroes who can lift planes with their pinkies? How can it not work because they're both too much the same AND have too many differences?

I mean, don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be my first choice, but I don't see the problem of the characters having this sort of relationship for a little while.

Date: 2013-07-24 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
The difference there, I suppose, is that Lois Lane did not actually grow up into a warrior or a soldier, and the traits she has picked up from her dad and her city life are ones that Clark admires. Lois is psychologically different from Clark, but he approves of almost everything about her differences.

Whereas he does not approve of Diana's willingness to kill and maim, which is on display fairly regularly in the current continuity. And precisely because they're both big ol' superheroes, it's harder for Clark to excuse her using extreme violence in situations where he'd refrain. If she was an ordinary human he'd cut her more slack. (So it is a problem of them being too similar, power-wise, and too different, morally.)

That said, I can't see Orion being a great romantic choice for Wonder Woman either. They may be able to bond as warriors, but the guy's a walking laundry list of stereotypical man-issues, and if there were ever a heroine who should have no patience for that in a partner, it's Diana.

Date: 2013-07-24 06:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Eh I don't see them as a couple, but they don't need to be. I like Diana as someone full of compassion and love. That is one of her best characteristics that is just plain inspiring.

Date: 2013-07-24 02:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmmmm yes..... i like this... though now i hear lady gaga playing in the background.

Date: 2013-07-24 06:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
To play devil's advocate regarding Highfather, I can't recall him actually DOING anything in the old DCU anyway. In any comics where he appeared he was just a generic elderly wise mentor figure dude. So for me he never had much characterization to start with :P

Also liking the crossover of Greek gods with New Gods. There's a nice little parallel between Wonder Woman's name "Diana" and Orion who was also a hunter in Greek myth.

Date: 2013-07-25 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelstron
Orion and Wonder Woman has chemistry and some good potential, I don't mind if it is romantic or not. They are different sides of the same coin, Warriors but really different personaties.
oh the parallel is cute, Diana is the roman name of Artemis that had a platonic relationship with the hunter Orion. tha was good Azzarello

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