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cyberghostface ([personal profile] cyberghostface) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2010-12-08 05:03 pm

Daredevil #512 and Shadowland: After the Fall

For what's worth, #512 predates After the Fall publication-wise, but chronologically they both happen during the same period of time. I think #512 works better after, so I'm posting it second. Four pages from each issue.

After the Fall is written by Antony Johnson and illustrated by Roberto La Torre and Marco Checchetto. (My selection is from Marco) It's basically narrated by Ben Urich who, along with everyone else, is looking for Matt who disappeared after the events of Shadowland. He finds a tape left for him by Murdock.







Urich tells Elektra that people deserve to know the truth, but she says that Matt should be able to heal and that the people are better off not knowing what happened.

Later, Urich meets up with Foggy. The two discuss Matt (Urich doesn't mention the tape) and the current state of Hell's Kitchen is brought up. Urich thinks that it's improved.



Urich thinks to himself that perhaps everyone could learn from Foggy's optimism, and that as the sun rises on Hell's Kitchen, "maybe we should all learn to live without fear".

In Daredevil #512 (by Andy Diggle and Antony Johnston, with art from Checchetto.

The Kingpin berates the Hand, telling them that thanks to their alliance with Daredevil, they now lie broken and without leadership...



Meanwhile, there are sightings of Daredevil throughout the city. Luke Cage and Iron Fist search for him, but it turns out to be someone else...



Finally, at the end of the issue...





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[personal profile] cypherfdp 2010-12-08 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Black Panther looks really Batman in that one panel.

I'm surprised they didn't use Moon Knight.
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[personal profile] rainspirit 2010-12-08 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Kind of glad that they didn't - Moon Knight's got his own thing going on. (Or at least, he used to...)

I heard that Bendis is "reimagining" his character next year in a new series... mixed feelings about that!
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[personal profile] kagome654 2010-12-08 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I share your mixed feelings. I'd love to see a Moon Knight book get some attention, but the word 're-imagined' makes me twitchy. Oh well, at least the art should be relatively appealing (it's supposed to be Maleev on art, right?).

[personal profile] darkknightjrk 2010-12-09 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Moon Knight's got the Secret Avengers and the Heroes for Hire going for him. Panther doesn't really have anything now.
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[personal profile] thehefner 2010-12-08 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I can just see Matt walking along some lonely two-line highway and casually passing another person.

"Matt."

"Banner."

*both walk on as sad piano music plays*
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[personal profile] proteus_lives 2010-12-08 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the back-roads in the Marvel Universe. You can't swing a cat without hitting a hero on a emotional/spiritual journey.
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[personal profile] big_daddy_d 2010-12-08 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like you're in my head. O.O
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[personal profile] nezchan 2010-12-09 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
I was just imagining him running into Superman going the other way.

Clark: "Not gonna lie man, it's a bad idea. Turn back while you got the chance."
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[personal profile] thehefner 2010-12-09 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
"Tell me about it!" agrees Hal Jordan circa 1990.
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[personal profile] misterbug 2010-12-09 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
After a week:

*Bump*

"Sorry."

"Wha - Johnny APPLESEED?"

"Yup. If you ever manage to figure out exactly what the hell is going on, I'm on Twitter..."
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[personal profile] nezchan 2010-12-09 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
You know, the orange skins and the purple skins, they doin' okay, but he still ain't done much for the black skins.
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[personal profile] badficwriter 2010-12-09 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Except that Bruce is living with family these days. I guess there was a vacancy.
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[identity profile] spockfran.livejournal.com 2010-12-08 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't get why Matt is guilty over killing Bullseye, Its not like this is his first time killing a criminal. By his logic he was a murderer way back when he first started being Daredevil in his origin story.

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[identity profile] spockfran.livejournal.com 2010-12-08 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
He killed someone in his origin story "Man without fear", he killed someone in Born again, and he killed some Hand ninja girl because it was the only way to stop her.

Each time he tried to avoid killing them but it was the only way. He felt bad about it but never to the point that he would want to quit being a superhero.
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[identity profile] spockfran.livejournal.com 2010-12-09 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
No
IIRC while he did push Typhoid Mary out the Window accidentally that didn't kill her.
It was in issue 5 of the mini where he deflected a bullet back into this mobsters head because he wouldn't let this little girl go.
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[personal profile] badficwriter 2010-12-09 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
By Matt's standard, reflecting your attack back at you is your own damn fault. Stabbing you after he's already beaten you is deliberate.
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[personal profile] starwolf_oakley 2010-12-09 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
he killed someone in Born again

The helicopter pilot? IIRC, that pilot was gunning down innocent people while backing up Nuke. Also, I THINK that pilot was revealed as alive in DAREDEVIL #300.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2010-12-08 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
In the first example, if it's the one I'm thinking of, he didn't break the Joker out, he just brought the real killer to justice.

The DCAU example was Batman being motivated so that the guy trying to get revenge for his son's death didn't destroy what was left of his life, and dishonour the memory of son, by becoming a murderer.
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[personal profile] recognitions 2010-12-09 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Plus he came damn close to killing Bullseye more than once during the Miller run. If anything, you would have thought Bullseye could take a hint.
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[personal profile] badficwriter 2010-12-09 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe Matt is mostly feeling guilty over, you know, falling for the Hand's line and being the gateway for a giant demon to take over New York City, imprison innocent people along with guilty, and endanger everyone's lives.
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[personal profile] oldmanrain 2010-12-08 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
He should try going back to his pre-Miller, swashbuckling days, he seemed to be having a whale of a time back then.

[personal profile] darkknightjrk 2010-12-09 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
"So does Matt ever really have a time when he's happy and not having an angst fest over everything in the world?"

Like manrain said, he was a swashbuckler back before Miller came onto the book and started noir-ing the shit out of it. The last big "swashbuckle" thing was Daredevil: Yellow, by Loeb/Sale, and even that has a touch it, because the whole premise is Matt writing about Karen Page after she died, with him flashing back to the past.
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Well, it's not out of the blue

[personal profile] badficwriter 2010-12-09 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Frank Miller wrote a story where Matt plays Russian roulette. It makes Matt look very suicidal. However, it's revealed that he didn't go all the way by putting bullets in the gun.

DeMatteis wrote a story where Matt decides to commit suicide by jumping to his death. He changes his mind on the way down..but he still made that decision.

Kevin Smith wrote a story where Matt puts a loaded gun to his head. Only a memory of Karen stops him

In the end of Shadowland, Matt spiritually/psychically/whatever stabs himself. Foggy doing CPR and Iron Fist seemed convinced it had physical results.

On the other hand, he has this wierd metaphoric power to come back to life, Jesus-style, just like he did here. It's never been pushed to the point of Wolverine type power, always very subtle and maybe didn't happen, but Miller did give Stick and his evil opposites, the Hand, the ability to resurrect people.
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[personal profile] lucky_gamble 2010-12-08 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't get beyond the image of the pimp standing next to Lady Bulleye.

[personal profile] darkknightjrk 2010-12-09 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Kingpin's got some...odd ensemble going for him now that he's leader of the Hand.
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[personal profile] blackruzsa 2010-12-09 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
.... That image is now drilled into my head.
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[personal profile] pyrotwilight 2010-12-08 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
So...Matt's not dead? Huh.

And Black Panther's now watching Hell's Kitchen. Weird choice.
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[personal profile] mullon 2010-12-08 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
They should have left Asgard alone. Then Murdock could have gone there, maybe meet up with Hulk who could also go there.

[personal profile] darkknightjrk 2010-12-09 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
What I would have liked to have seen in Matt's recording:

"I should have known there was more to it. I just...I should have known better. But I was BLIND to it.

"...Son of a bitch, pun NOT intended. Okay, I'll give you assholes a second to laugh. ... Okay, anyway... Things were so bad..."

[personal profile] ex_cherrybomb869 2010-12-09 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who giggled a bit at 'blind to it'.
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[personal profile] badficwriter 2010-12-09 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
They do that all the time. Matt's characterization is being blind, not just physically. Beating a dead horse for me..

[personal profile] ex_cherrybomb869 2010-12-09 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Where the hell can you BUY cassettes nowadays?
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[personal profile] glprime 2010-12-09 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Radioshack. For reals. And people still ask for them.

God, I hated that place.
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[personal profile] blackruzsa 2010-12-09 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
In this arc: Daredevil.... WALKS.

It worked with Superman, it'll work with him. Better than the Shadowland arc, it any rate.
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[personal profile] starwolf_oakley 2010-12-09 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Matt saying how he wanted to kill Bullseye and that *wasn't* the Evil Hand Demon reminds me, of all things, "Emerald Twilight." Or more specifically, a fanfic that attempted to "fix" Emerald Twilight years before "Green Lantern: Rebirth." http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing06/feature2.shtml

Hal Jordan gets to watch the events of "Emerald Twilight" and says the only thing he sees as plausible is him killing Sinestro. He said he could see himself doing it under the "right stress."

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[personal profile] cainofdreaming 2010-12-09 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
Spread the word? Black Panther has gone and joined the ABC Warriors now?
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[personal profile] darkblade 2010-12-09 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Doesn't T'Challa have a country to be running?
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[personal profile] badficwriter 2010-12-09 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I was thinking of posting these two. :) Both issues were way better than Shadowland. :P

Really liked Panther's protrayal here. He looks great and he's not acting like a 'king' who's knows better than everybody, his way or the highway, etc. I'd like to see a flashback, though, where T'Challa and Matt talk before this happens. We haven't seen them together in AGES. Matt needs to apologize for missing the wedding, fer instance.

Also, the images of Panther, the police officer Kurtz, and his angry black boss remind me of Batman: War Games. Panther's got the Batman vibe, and Kurtz with his 'connection' to the hero (tho he didn't show up before Shadowland) and his inner conflict between his sympathy for the hero and his duty remind me of James Gordon, and the angry boss who wants the vigilante to pay reminds of Whats-his-name who was angry at Batman in that event.

Luke was a major jerk though. Why is he always this way in Daredevil? (Wierd to remember when Kurtz is talking to him that Luke is a prison warden now.) Danny--so sweet! ::sniff::

Matt wanting Foggy to think he was dead because it would be kinder...&^$$##!!

Not my favorite portrayal of Becky. :( She looks hot, though.

Glad Tarantula is alive! Sad White Tiger isn't back. :(

I appreciate the end of the book practically mirrored Nocenti's run, when she had Matt wander the world, down to the absorption with the details of his senses to block out inner turmoil. Nice to see some cops still appreciate DD and miss him. But...I don't see the book in a good place. My favorite stories are MATT. With the glasses and his coolness and quirky sense of humor, who's considered one of the most respected superheroes. I don't care for this persecuted madman who makes Foggy feel bad theme.
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[personal profile] citygod 2010-12-10 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Matt's fallen a long way: Colan and Miller drew him like Robert Redford, now he looks like Conan O'Brien.
Perhaps he's walking to LA to TAKE BACK THE TONIGHT SHOW.
dun-dun-duuuuuuun...