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Not part of the original S_D 1.0 Spider-man/Daredevil series, I wanted to insert bits and pieces I hadn't included the first time. Turns out there was a lot more than I thought. (Lotsa scans below cut)

This is the sort of repetitive characterization that drives some fans batty. Spider-man should trust Daredevil by now, etc. However, they continued to have Spider-man with major hostility issues--that quickly became jealousy. All part of that subtext tension.

Sometimes the references and cameos were pointless. Spiderfan conjectures that the appearances were just to sell some Daredevil comics. But they did serve to tie together the shared Marvel universe.

Amazing Spider-man 43 (also known as 'Peter and MJ's First Date' issue)

One of these days, Peter's gonna have a talk with Matt about his love of defending Peter's villains. Doctor Octopus actually credits Matt, "an understanding lawyer", with his first release.

Apparently, Spider-man thought over their previous encounter and uncharacteristically, came to the right idea! The blind guy had to be Daredevil! Uncharacteristically, again, he writes a letter to Mr. Murdock telling him he found him out.

Basically, it was all an excuse for Stan Lee to add another twist to the soap opera that was early Daredevil.

Daredevil 24, vol 1. The Gene Colan art period!

Daredevil 25, vol 1.

Matt distracts and obfuscates the issue by inventing a twin brother with Matt's middle name--Mike! Then proceeds to pretend to be his own twin brother who is secretly Daredevil.

For some reason, neither brings the letter up next time they see each other, in Daredevil 27.

For someone who acted very put upon, Peter behaved later as if he'd done Daredevil a magnanimous favor.

Amazing Spider-man 48 volume 1.

Here is Spiderfan.org's review.

Fantastic Four 73, volume 1. Jack Kirby draws!

Dr. Doom had taken over DD's body just previously, so now the FF are fighting DD because they think he's Doom. Interestingly, the goofy plot of Dr. Doom taking over people's bodies was rehashed in the recent Spider-man and the Fantastic Four mini. Similar solution, too.

(Insert your non-con Human Torch/Daredevil/Spider-man fanfic HERE.)

Daredevil 54. Matt has killed off his twin, having grown tired of the charade, and now, to lure out a villain who knows his true identity, has killed himself off.

This period might be said to culminate in this issue, Daredevil 77. (5 pages from 20 page story.) Gerry Conway has taken over writing duty.

Karen Page has taken off to fulfill her dreams of becoming a movie star. After getting a date to try and get over her, Matt has been stood up.

CUE THE SOULCRUSHING ANGST

Some mystic doohickey has summoned Namor to it. It seems to be making heroes fight-happy. Note that Peter had to ditch Mary Jane to join the fight. What a loser. Didn't even get ditched by his make-up date!

The mystic doohickey is unearthed by the fight, and a strange woman whisks a hypnotized Namor away! She allows Spider-man to come along, while Daredevil seems to lose his memory of what just happened. No followup here, but the blurb said it continued in the Submariner's title.

Part 1 posted previously.

Suggested tags: char: daredevil/matt murdock, char: foggy nelson, char: spider-man/peter parker, publisher: marvel, creator: stan lee, title: daredevil, title: amazing spider-man, title: fantastic four, char: human torch/johnny storm, char: sub-mariner/namor mckenzie, creator: john romita, sr, creator: gene colan, creator: frank giacoia, creator: joe sinnott, creator: jack kirby, creator: gerry conway

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misterbug

Wowza...Stilt-Man used to look FANTASTIC.

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filkertom

That's Gene Colan for ya. One of the best comic artists Evar.

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randyripoff

Motto. Not only was he a great draftsman, he may have been just as prolific if not moreso than Kirby.

From:

icon_uk

Not "was", but "is", Gene the Dean is still with us.

From:

randyripoff

I'm well aware of that. However, I would no longer call him a prolific artist, at least not over the last ten years.

I don't hold that against him, of course. I'm happy he's still with us.

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badficwriter

Back in the day when he was treated like a scientist with a quick getaway and HYDRAULIC RAMS for weapons. :/

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randyripoff

I think much of the jealousy stemmed from the simple fact that Daredevil was pretty much always popular with everyone in the Marvel Universe (not in sales, but in terms of how the guy on the street felt about him) whereas Spider-Man was generally treated like a pariah. No real surprise then that Spider-Man felt just a bit of resentment towards Daredevil.

It's one of those things that's always struck me as odd about the Marvel Universe. Why are some heroes like Daredevil and Iron Man and Captain America really popular with the people while others aren't?

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kagome654

I've heard people theorize that Spider-man's full face mask, combined with the way he moves and his power set, tends to make people nervous or uncomfortable. A lot of people don't spiders or things that move in odd ways (there's an uncanny valley aspect to it). Also, he clearly has powers but, unlike Captain America and Iron Man, it's not known or obvious where they originate from, so people wonder if he may be a mutant (the horror!).

Plus there's the fact he didn't join a high profile group like The Avengers. He comes across as secretive and unwilling to work with others. There's also The Bugle's negative spin and the fact Spidey has been framed quite a few times (not that he's alone in that regard) to consider.

Eh, they're not the best reasons, but that's some of the justification for his pariah status that I've heard. I'm probably missing something really obvious.

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badficwriter

Ultimate Daredevil theorized youth, but I've heard that people who are often victims, are often victims everywhere. It becomes a way they walk and act. Somehow, it attracts the bully instinct. A leftover of the animal instincts where some members of a pack get pegged with being the 'omega'.

Certainly, Spider-man's hysterical territoriality and immediate assumption that everyone's out to get him caused problems.

From:

kagome654

That sounds plausible. It reminds me of the way Peter lashed out the first time (?) the Avengers asked him to join, it really did seem as if he felt like some beleaguered high school freshman surrounded by suspiciously friendly jocks.

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randyripoff

I've always thought it was more than just that. Not just in terms of Spider-Man, but especially in terms of mutants. How does the average citizen of the Marvel universe tell that say, Bobby Drake or Jean Grey are mutants and not people that had lucky radiation accidents? Why do Captain America and Daredevil get the love of the masses when others who work just as hard and try just as hard get the shaft?

It's not right or wrong, but it is something I've noticed over the years about the Marvel U.

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realpestilence

I'm sure it doesn't help that Jonah Jamieson detested Spider-Man and used his newspaper to slander him at every opportunity.

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hyperactivator

Why arn't crossovers like this anymore? I hate buying seperate miniseries everytime.

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badficwriter

Eh, that last one is a classic "You don't know who she is! Or whats going on! The only way to know is by BUYING SUBMARINER! Too bad its a 40 year old comic!"

From:

psychopathicus_rex

Man, do I wish Daredevil had kept the relatively lighthearted nature we see here. With him, it's been nothing but angst angst angst for decades - he could use a good friendly squabble with Spidey every now and then.

From:

badficwriter

Well, this was before Frank Miller, when DD was considered just a swashbuckling, more respectable Spider-man.

DD/Spidey teamup fans have been feeling deprived for a while, yeah. :(

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psychopathicus_rex

Of all the characters he ever worked on, I'd say Miller affected Daredevil the most. One could argue that Batman might also be a good candidate for that position, but Batman already WAS a dark character, albeit irregularly at that point - he brought that out, but he didn't create it. DD's dark, gritty quality, on the other hand, was more or less invented whole-cloth by Miller, and that's how the character's been ever since. There's virtually nothing left of his old self, with all the crazy supervillains like the Owl and the Man-Bull and characters like that - it's been nothing but the story of Matt's messed-up life and his battle against Bullseye and the Kingpin and ninjas aplenty on the mean streets of the city ever since Miller got his paws on him. For all intents and purposes, Daredevil is STILL being written by Miller, even though it's been decades since this was actually the case - everyone post-Miller has written a Millerized DD. It's almost surreal reading some of the earlier stuff, because you're so used to the Miller version of things - you look at old-style DD and you go 'who's he?'

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