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So, um. Here's a thing.
As near as I can figure, this is from what started out as a magazine called Rampaging Hulk, later shortened to The Hulk!, that Marvel published in the late Seventies. This particular selection is from a story called "A Very Personal Hell," from issue #23, published in 1980, and was written by Jim Shooter and drawn by John Buscema and Alfredo Alcala.
In it, Bruce is on the run following a botched attempt to steal some information that might give him a clue how to reverse his transformations into the Hulk. He checks into a YMCA to spend the night, and, uh...
Perhaps a word of explanation here. This was right around the time of the smash success of the Incredible Hulk TV series, the whole reason for the Rampaging Hulk magazine's existence in the first place, as Marvel tried to use the series' popularity to capture an upscale market. In that vein, then-editor Shooter apparently decided the magazine would be a good showcase for more "grim-n-gritty" storytelling; less Silver Surfer, more Starsky and Hutch. In that vein, he decided to make his first story for the magazine especially hard-hitting and realistic.
So. Bruce at the Y.




It caused quite a commotion at the time: Comic Book Resources reports that the story "lit comics fans on fire...It was all over The Comics Journal for months." Shooter's reported reaction? "If I offended rapists, I'm GLAD." Yeah. Another one for the "no lessons were learned" file.
As near as I can figure, this is from what started out as a magazine called Rampaging Hulk, later shortened to The Hulk!, that Marvel published in the late Seventies. This particular selection is from a story called "A Very Personal Hell," from issue #23, published in 1980, and was written by Jim Shooter and drawn by John Buscema and Alfredo Alcala.
In it, Bruce is on the run following a botched attempt to steal some information that might give him a clue how to reverse his transformations into the Hulk. He checks into a YMCA to spend the night, and, uh...
Perhaps a word of explanation here. This was right around the time of the smash success of the Incredible Hulk TV series, the whole reason for the Rampaging Hulk magazine's existence in the first place, as Marvel tried to use the series' popularity to capture an upscale market. In that vein, then-editor Shooter apparently decided the magazine would be a good showcase for more "grim-n-gritty" storytelling; less Silver Surfer, more Starsky and Hutch. In that vein, he decided to make his first story for the magazine especially hard-hitting and realistic.
So. Bruce at the Y.




It caused quite a commotion at the time: Comic Book Resources reports that the story "lit comics fans on fire...It was all over The Comics Journal for months." Shooter's reported reaction? "If I offended rapists, I'm GLAD." Yeah. Another one for the "no lessons were learned" file.
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Date: 2010-07-16 03:42 am (UTC)On the one hand, I'm certain there are men that willfully rape other men against their wishes.
On the other, I am fairly certain most if not all of them are in PRISON. Not the YMCA. Also, the Y is a great organization and i'm sure they didn't need this kind of shitty press.
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Date: 2010-07-16 03:54 am (UTC)Damn.
Yes...
Date: 2010-07-16 03:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-16 03:55 am (UTC)...yeah, not sorry he's moved on.
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Date: 2010-07-16 04:49 am (UTC)And yes, Jim, we get it. You dislike gays.
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Date: 2010-07-16 04:51 am (UTC)1. This was during his stint as editor-in-chief, during which he forbid writers from portraying superheroes as gay.
2. He claimed this was based on an incident that actually happened to a friend of his.
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Date: 2010-07-16 06:01 am (UTC)http://www.gayleague.com/wordpress/2009/04/26/arnie-roth/
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Date: 2010-07-16 06:16 am (UTC)God, I don't even want to think about this. I understand that people like this really do exist, but far as I've seen, they're portrayed in under wraps rape porn. Bringing them into popular media in that timeline is just wrong, AND UNFAIR to gay people then and now.
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Date: 2010-07-16 07:27 am (UTC)I'm also imagining him turning around and being Feminist Hulk: "RRRRAWWRRRR! HULK STRENGTH OVERCOME HOMOPHOBIA! WHERE LITTLE MEN? HULK READY TO TEACH LESSON IN CONSENT NOW!"
You have seen Feminist Hulk, yes? It's the brain bleach we need after reading this:
http://twitter.com/feministhulk
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Date: 2010-07-16 11:04 am (UTC)Ugh, now that you pointed it out...
Not enough brain bleach in the world.
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Date: 2010-07-16 11:03 am (UTC)One facepalm is not enough:
Date: 2010-07-16 12:05 pm (UTC)Re: One facepalm is not enough:
Date: 2010-07-16 03:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-16 12:17 pm (UTC)So what do we have here:
1. Rape.
2. Homophobia
3. Racism. Because you know all of us dark Negro savages love nothing more than attacking those pure pearly white folks. And we gay Negro savages love to terrorize those pure innocent white boys. And as a gay black man, I don't ever have to deal with this shit in real life.
4. Ignorant comments from yet another comic book writer.
"But comics are soooooooooooo inclusive."
I need to log off for a bit, this shit has literally made me nauseous.
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Date: 2010-07-16 12:28 pm (UTC)On a side note, I thought that the Rampaging Hulk was one of those black and white magazines. Now I know better.
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Date: 2010-07-16 12:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-07-16 01:59 pm (UTC)The story itself would be offensive but the details are really laid in on every level to make it horrible. Even the clothing the two rapists are wearing. (And "Luellen?" Really?)
I did laugh at the one comment though: Gay panic delays the transformation. Bruce should study that.
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Date: 2010-07-16 03:21 pm (UTC)As for "Luellen," it is a real last name, a variant of "Llewelyn," so he could have been legitimately called that. And I'm sure he picked that name at random, and it had nothing to do with making the character come across as effeminate. No, absolutely nothing at all. Nope. Not a bit.
Worse than that, I thought, was the "oh, pith." Before that, Dewey could be more predatory than gay. (As could Luellen, except that he's, um, Luellen) After that, I have to reread all of his dialogue as though it were spoken by Charles Nelson Reilly with an exaggerated lisp.
The thing is, the scene would have worked better if those two things had been left out and Dewey and Luellen had just been predatory. The thing that makes rape scenes scary is the rapist asserting absolute power over a helpless victim. (Which is also what makes them satisfying when the victim turns out to not be so helpless.) Throwing in a few campy gay stereotypes just distracts from that.
But there'd still be the whole "Banner doesn't turn into the Hulk when he's afraid, even though he always turned into the Hulk when he was afraid before" thing. And I could have done without "I'll get big and green and tear your...head off." Basically, it would have been salvaging this incredibly horrific disaster and coming up with a slightly less horrific disaster. Even reading this as a parody of a Village People song that I've heard far too many times in my life doesn't help.
And this was supposed to be their adult version of The Hulk. It seems that in 1980, "adult" and "gratuitous attempted rape scenes" were synonymous. Good thing we've moved past that.
Um, never mind.
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Date: 2010-07-17 12:43 am (UTC)But he didn't. So it's not just that he failed as a storyteller, but additionally as someone in a position to broadcast a message to a wide audience, the message for young gay kids at the time (like myself), was "LOL, screw you, loser. Oh, and you're a monster."
And people wonder why marginalized groups often have a chip on their shoulder. Gee whiz.
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Date: 2010-07-17 07:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-18 02:32 am (UTC)if they had, he'd maybe have hulked out and then they'd have to go track down a surgical urologist