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What is DCnU's Wonder Girl's Relationship with Wonder Woman?

In Teen Titans #19 it suggested that Cassie is the daughter of Wonder Woman’s brother Lennox. That would make Wonder Woman her aunt and Zeus now her grandfather instead of father.

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I also learnt elsewhere that apparently the thing from the end of the first DCnU storyarc, where Diana removes her bracelets and gets even more powerful, was actually something that had already been established...

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I think the point about Wonder Woman being given her sidekick's origins was one of my biggest gripes about this new take since day one. The fact that Wonder Girl is still going to be a bast*** child seems to play on the idea that you cannot be a cool character unless you are a, well you get the point. The Wonder Women of the DC universe deserve a lot better than this.

What's wrong with kids born out of wedlock?

Nothing. It's writers who think that taking iconic characters and turning them into bast***s is a way of improving the character.

I don't think that "heh, their parents aren't married, that'll be edgy and COOL" was the mental process behind Cassie's and NuDiana's backstories.

You're right. It was done to make NuDiana more dependent on male characters.

Which it does, and for that reason I don't particularly like Zeus being her dad--it makes her power a reflection and a consequence of his. That problem would hardly be improved by having Zeus be married to Hippolyta, though.

Incase you don't get my point, Wonder Woman doesn't need a father, and she sure as &$#@ doesn't need man-hating, cold blooded murdering, incompetent, slave endorsing Amazons as her people. "True to Greek mythology" be danged.

One of the later pre-Flashpoint comics revealed that Diana did have a father: the sealed Hechatonkaires Cocytus, the source of the clay Hippolyta used to sculpt Diana.

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None of those points have anything to do with being born out of wedlock, though...

Which hasn't been shown to be the case because her origin hasn't really affected her character that much except as a dramatic development in her storyline, and she's proven more than capable of proving herself as being better than the male characters in her own book.

When the male characters in your book tend to be the Greek gods, being better than them ain't that hard. In fact I'm pretty sure the average goldfish could claim to be a better person than much of that particular pantheon and you'd be hard pushed to prove them wrong.

well she's also a better person than Orion.

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Actually that seems very plausible, just replace "edgy and COOL" with "dramatic and RELEVANT".

Except, again, it was already done a bunch of times with Wonder Girl while her father was an ongoing mystery in the old universe, plus 'drama' is basically the core of superhero books anyway, and I don't see how 'relevant' enters the proceedings because it isn't really commenting on say, the pro-choice argument? Which is about the only 'relevant' topic that comes to mind with a child born out of wedlock.

And 'wedlock' continues to sound like one of the most disturbing terms associated with marriage ever.

hahahah 'wedlock', it's like they knew exactly what they were implying when the term was coined, and liked it.

Wedlocked and loaded....

that... that has different implications than i inteded it to....

I've never even thought about the derivation of the "lock" part, a google suggest that "-lock" was an suffix indicating activity.

You say that as if it's something that makes the characters poorer for their association, thus implying something is *wrong* with people born out of wedlock.

So either something is wrong with them, or ?? I'm not sure why you insist on using 'bastard' in this context.

If nothing's wrong with being born out of wedlock, then what's wrong with having that happen to iconic characters?

Particularly Wonder-legacy characters and other Amazons, who for obvious reasons aren't usually affiliated with traditional nuclear families?

The way you are harping about characters being born out of wedlock by calling them "bastard" (and, nope, using cutesy * doesn't make it any better) as a way to criticise DC editorial decisions is frankly coming close to a group attack on S_D members who may not have been born from a married couple. Knock it off.

It really has nothing to do with wedlock.

It's how you came across.

As an actual bastard, I think I take your meaning. There is something "off" about tying Diana and Cassie's powers to being "divine bastards" as a parallel to "royal bastards."

Your phrasing is obnoxious, though.

I would say that the issue (not just for me, but for a lot of old Wondy fans) is having their powers derive from "Daddy"--even out-of-the-frame illegitimate "Daddy."

Oh, well, I never really accepted Zeus as Cassie's bio-father pre-Flashpoint, and I certainly don't count Nu52 as "my" Wondyverse.

Yeah. That's a much better way to putting it. It's hard sometimes to convey something when you know it's there, but you can't put it to words outside of the obnoxious ones.

I think that's the single most bizarre train of thought I've read; Are you actually trying to imply that characters at DC are being forced into a 'bastard child' status, which hasn't *really* changed that much about who they are?

Also, as someone born to those kinds of circumstances, I'm really taking exception to your attitude here, because despite your *saying* there's nothing wrong with it, that's not what I'm getting from what you're putting across.

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